CD box sets are wonderful
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(in a few years, when everyone who's been collecting vinyl realises it sounds like rubbish [1][2] and they don't use it anymore - but still want the physical medium experience)
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0bMI2JB-vY [2]: https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/761231
I suspect it is a bit of "buy in" with vinyl. Also, the art sleeves are nice.
Maybe I was too harsh - the warm, compressed sound isn't for me :)
> Also, the art sleeves are nice.
I do absolutely love the size of vinyl art sleeves - I've noticed some friends effectively buying vinyl to display rather than to listen to.
Well, the recent resurgence of vinyl has had a lot people buying substandard all-in-one-decks from online stores. For vinyl to sound good you need to invest a significant amount of money in equipment.
The thing about CDs is so many were poorly mastered, and while you can pick up CDs super cheap, finding ones that genuinely sound amazing is quite tricky. Rare ones can still go for a lot of money. I have started to collect things that simply aren't on streaming services (common with older original albums of less mainstream artists) and it's harder but more rewarding than I expected (for example, try to get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazemachi_Roman for less than $30..)
That's the thing. The mastering (and this can definitely affect more recent vinyl releases too) and the compression and loudness wars really ruined a lot of CDs.
I for one, wish SACD had taken off. I never really got that into it (too young to afford stuff but old enough to lust after it at Tower Records and the Virgin Megastore), but the few SACD discs I have are just awesome. The competitor, DVD-A was supposed to be good too, but it didn't really take (I have a few DVD-A discs and I think one way to play them at this point).
That said, while I have bee predicting a CD comeback for several years (b/c nostalgia), I think that CDs lack the thing that makes vinyl (and to a much lesser degree, the cassette resurgence (which is often a pure retro/nostalgia play, which as an aging hipster I respect, but as a wannabe-audiophile, I cringe at)) and vinyl collecting special.
A record takes work to get to play right. You need to care for the vinyl. You need to store it correctly. Configuring and setting up your turntable is a process -- especially if you want to do it well. And then there is the rarity factor. Because only so many plants exist, there are are both artificial and genuine limits on how many copies of an album exist. And then you get the custom colorways (the number of albums I've purchased multiple times on vinyl for the various colorways is too long to mention), the fact that liner notes and album colors are huge. It's just special.
Obviously, they could do this with CDs -- and in the late 90s, we did see some record labels/bands play around with different colors and designs for CD labels, but it still isn't quite the same.
There's also something to be said about the statement piece you have by having a really beautiful record player in your house, that you don't get with a CD player.
I was a really big MiniDisc person (mostly used it as a pre-iPod MP3 player) and I wish that would have a comeback. That format was so dope and so underrated. And the collectibility factor there would be off the charts, similar to cassette tapes, but with good sound quality and a durable product.
Having said all this, I fully expect to see Gen Z carrying around DiscMan players within 18 months.
> It's just special.
Agreed, the process and the album art definitely can't be replicated.
> Obviously, they could do this with CDs -- and in the late 90s, we did see some record labels/bands play around with different colors and designs for CD labels, but it still isn't quite the same.
I'm starting to see this with recent CDs - some have a lot of thought into the digipak (cardboard fold out) packaging and liner notes. There seems to be a recent trend from jewel cases to liner notes but I'm not sure if this is real or not!
> There's also something to be said about the statement piece you have by having a really beautiful record player in your house, that you don't get with a CD player.
This I've got to disagree with :D Vintage CD players from the 80s/90s in all black are stunning [1], especially when paired with a similarly designed amplifier and preamp.
I love the idea of a MiniDic comeback - another vintage tech I've never had the chance to see!
[1]: https://www.audio-high-store.com/the-best-vintage-cd-player-...
I guess it was good enough, but MiniDisc used lossy compression.
I got a Sony SACD player for about €140 off ebay. New classic SACD's are about £13 off Presto, secondhand cds can be dirt cheap - £2 or £3 for good labels (Philips, Decca, DG etc). Wonderful way to build a small library.
Vinyl still great for anything modern though. The compression is a feature. That video you linked is wrong about how RIAA equalization works...
Also see a lot of new releases of 'trendy' music on CD and digitally, but no tape or vinyl.
Interesting - which releases are these? I'm having the opposite problem - recordings like Flight Facilities releasing on vinyl but not CD [1].
[1]: https://www.discogs.com/master/1105473-Flight-Facilities-Wit...
Don't think a single on of these are sold as vinyl. They all come as cassette (so much for what I wrote lol), and a bunch on CDs. Narrow electronic music with an 'internet' vibe I guess you could call it.
Everything is "optimized" for "decent" sound out of medium quality streaming services on terrible speakers where dynamic range is nearly non-existent and everything is compressed to matchbox quality.
The music streaming industry has ruined the experience of listening to and discovery new music. Nothing like going to the record store and getting something out of the vintage bin for a few bucks and bringing that home, sitting there and actually taking the time to listen to the music. Instant streaming optimizes for popcorn listening and not listening to the intricacies of the soundscapes of some music.
The box sets of CDs make up for that display-ability and the booklets can be fantastic little history lessons.
For one, I’m betting that bit rot on the disk will take longer to happen than shenanigans with the streaming rights.
For two, the video quality of most streaming services is god awful. The resolution is there but the bit rate absolutely isn’t. I watched Mr Robot on Prime Video recently and dark scenes (of which there are a lot) looked like a blocky watercolour mess.
Another reason to own media is that companies like netflix can't change the playback experience. There's already annoying "skip intro" buttons, ads on the end credits and age and strobe warnings whenever you touch the pause button.
These annoyances have the tendency to creep in and I would not be surprised if at some point they include unskippable ads and a permanent Netflix logo in one of the corners. Disney, who are the worst offernders here, already displays a Disney+ logo for the first and last 15 seoonds. Once the bluray and DVD market has died, streaming companies may get a lot braver with this kind of stuff. (Remember when you could watch TV without a channel logo and banners advertising other shows?)
Oh and then there's the SJW patrol that gets streaming services to alter or cancel episodes of shows.
So there's really a good argument for buying the stuff you really like and owning a copy.
I don't really care about the physical discs, but it seems like there's not a lot of options (at least in bluegrass): a lot of this content is just not available digitally. (And when it is, the liner notes are usually lost in the process.)
And sometimes the tracks themselves are inexplicably mangled: The digital versions (both streaming and for download) of Bob Dylan's Bootleg Series inexplicably leave out the between-tracks material on the live albums even though those bits are definitively part of the charme and appeal of that material.
Plus when ripping myself I get to choose how to handle that kind of gap material: Standard procedure seems to be to stick it onto the end of the preceeding track, whereas personally I've found that for live albums I tend to prefer having it combined with the following track.
https://www.discogs.com/release/200521-Exposition-Internatio...
https://www.discogs.com/release/578626-Die-Wei%C3%9Fe-Rose/i...
https://www.discogs.com/release/726505-1940-1944/images
https://www.discogs.com/release/198981-Aux-Petits-Enfants-De...
I thought boxsets are usually in large part decorative items, owing to the limited but quite paying demand and the physicality of the goods.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Douglas-Adams-Hitch-Hikers-Guide-...
I don’t even have the ability to play it anymore, and I’ve no doubt the CDs are scratched and unlistenable. But I still consider it a beautiful object, and one that got me through various long dark teatimes of the soul.
At higher bitrates mp3 (and AAC) is OK, but through good headphones the difference between common 128kbps mp3 files and CD audio is night and day.
Both are a night and day difference from 128kbps.
Agreed about jewel cases - I have about 150 odd CDs and I just -despise- the cheap jewel cases.
The box sets above mostly house the jewel cases in a plastic moulding (which helps them not get damaged). The "Tougher than tough" set unfortunately uses the digipak style of packaging, so when the little plastic fingers in the CD centre start failing, the disks fall out every time you open it up and it can't be repaired. Not sure how they managed to come up with packaging that was worse than jewel cases, but digipaks succeeded remarkably well at just that.
It depends on what you are listening to. High dinamic range (classical music for example) is hit hard by the mp3 compressor.
Every store I know that sells MP3s gives you either 320k CBR, or a high quality VBR encoding. Neither is perceptively different (by humans) from a CD, even with the best equipment.
And most stores are now offering lossless downloads anyway.
If you're making your own MP3s, don't make 128k MP3s.
Later codecs (AAC, Vorbis, Opus, etc.) all allow you to use fewer bits for the same quality.
Time to delete them has come though, funnily it's much quicker to <arrgh me hearties> CDs I already own than rip them myself.
There are certain trouble files that can't be encoded well with MP3 even at 320k. I once successfully ABXY tested one such file 20 times in a row.
That particular disc seems to have been made at the cross roads time during which seamless natural-sounding digital effects were possible in music, but were still blocky enough in implementation to cause some type of Moire effect with digital encoders.
I think there is way more individual differences here than what some people assume. I have a few friends that often perceive way more details in images and image quality than me, to the point that some compressions that are fine for me will bother them. I think the same is true with sound: some people will benefit from CD quality, and some others won't.
That may also depend on the music that people listen to. If the tests are not made with the music you listen to, is the result the same? Is there a way to say "there's no difference for song X, so there is also no difference for song Y"?
Streaming and vinyl are here to stay.