Massachusetts gun-control legislation has had no effect on violent crime
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Doesn't sound that convincingly rigorous.
It can't really be rigorous no matter how hard you try or how good the researcher's intentions are.
The elephant in the room here when studying gun laws is that they're pretty much exclusively used to gain bargaining leverage for plea deals and never actually make it to a courtroom because the state is scared of drawing federal ire on appeal so they don't really make it into statistics.
Regardless of where you stand on gun control it seems like a fool's errand to measure the efficacy of something that's intended to be enforced in an informal manner behind closed doors between prosecutors and lawyers ("plead guilty to the DUI and we'll forget about that pistol in your car") deferentially applicable in the first place (vs something like murder or speeding where being rich don't make you more capable of doing those things within the letter of the law) and can't be enforced at scale.
That said, if all you want is to establish correlation between "law passed" and "crime reduced" it's easy to validate/disporve that such correlation exists.
The United States imports nearly all of the cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, and fentanyl that we consume, and the quantities we consume are vast. Even with the COVID related border restrictions, all of those drugs are at record-low street prices, and record-high purity. That generally means they are being imported with ease, and with a low percentage of lost product along the way.
This trend has been growing consistently since the passage of NAFTA in the 1990s, which had massive economic benefits, but also rendered the US/Mexico and US/Canada borders quite porous. Commercial trucks carry massive quantities of cargo into the US, every day. We've never bothered to devote enough border control resources to subject them nearly the same level of scrutiny as pre-NAFTA trucking. Nobody wants to pay for the infrastructure, manpower, or shipping delays.
I live in Southern California, and drive ~10-12 hours a week on highways. Anecdotally, about 10-20% of our truck traffic is plated/registered in a Mexican state, not a US state. Many of these trucks are visibly used for local deliveries... I believe there are some state & federal DOT rules to discourage this, but it doesn't seem like anyone is really enforcing them.
Anyway, my point is that our national land borders are hardly effective, and that the situation is by design according to our current national priorities.
This statement is so broad as to be completely meaningless. "Guns" and "drugs" are both vast categories containing elements of wildly varying complexity. So this depends entirely on which drugs and which guns you're talking about.
Alcohol and single-shot pipe shotguns are stupidly trivial... Anyone with YouTube and some patience can figure it out. Meanwhile, making MDMA and AR-15s require a considerable investment in equipment and skills. Alcohol is far easier to make than an AR-15--and MDMA is far harder to make than a shotgun.
FTR, I have personally made both a pipe shotgun and alcohol from scratch. Super fun projects... Neither one should cost you more than $10 at the hardware store, and a half-day in the garage.
It was mostly a "clean up" bill, rather than a "tightening" bill. So I'm not sure anybody expected a clear inverse correlation with violent crime in the state.
Looking at the current SCOTUS docket they're probably regretting that right about now.
It was too late when they offered the permit to the defendant.
Now it goes to SCOTUS and while I wouldn’t make bets, it sure does seem like HI, CT, MA, CA are going to lose may-issue and will have to issue permits to legally able people according to thing about “bearing” those arms.
Ultimately, if these states don't like the second amendment they should just amend it.
Right next door is New Hampshire. A state with “live free or die” as it’s motto, and includes things like Walmart-sized liquor stores at the state border to take advantage of their dramatically lower liquor taxes. New Hampshire also has some of the most permissive gun laws in the country.
There may be a good answer, I’m not necessarily seeking it here. I just debate why blaming the gun is so important to a political ideology when blaming the shooter seems only selectively important.
Seems like a wedge issue that everyone is happy to maintain just to keep it for distraction.
I don't think anyone 'blames' guns, they aren't moral agents. But they are extremely easy-to-use and effective ways of killing people.
It always goes back to talismanism. The gun itself is the problem, not the shooter. This is fake and the real reasons are always just one thing, control.
The poor attempt at renaming gun control to gun safety is illustrated that not one “gun safety” group has ever put on a gun safety program. They all push for prohibition in one way or another.
Now, try asking a gun-control activist what's the proportion of crimes committed with legal weapons vs illegal weapons and, well, good luck getting a straight answer.
Control is largely possible where there is a political will, case in point being Australia and their rather sudden shift and it’s rather obvious results. Deaths from all guns, legal and otherwise, are down, due to concerted efforts to remove guns from circulation.
I propose that groups like the NRA have fetishized an absurd interpretation of the second amendment.
Here is the second amendment in its entirety:
“ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
This in no way establishes a uncontrollable right for every citizen to own an arm. The phrase “well regulated militia” can be argued to death but there is no denying the well regulated part.
We live in a time where fancy legal experts and corrupt Supreme Court justices feel inclined to ignore the literal text of our constitution and insist upon erudite legal interpretations that make a mockery of language itself. That some dare to call themselves conservative is a slap in the face to our heritage.
What to say, legalese was always intended first and foremost as clear precise language, not as a gatekeeper hurdle or occupational shibboleth.
Interestingly, some of the most violent countries are in South America. Where on earth is the largest diaspora of southern American people located outside of southern America?
> Control is largely possible where there is a political will, case in point being Australia and their rather sudden shift and it’s rather obvious results. Deaths from all guns, legal and otherwise, are down, due to concerted efforts to remove guns from circulation.
Why did the US see the same crime rate drop in the same period despite doing nothing?
> What to say, legalese was always intended first and foremost as clear precise language, not as a gatekeeper hurdle or occupational shibboleth.
Indeed. "Shall not be infringed" is clearly understood in plain English.
Hear, hear! Anyone with a lick of sense can see that, although the Second Amendment literally says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", only an NRA stooge could torture those words into meaning the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Why can't they get in line, and King's English with some respect?
The real, common sense approach is to recognize that the prefatory phrase "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State", clearly indicates that the people have no right to keep and bear weapons of war. Can you imagine? And the words 'well regulated' clearly mean that the work of "ensuring the security of a free state" should occur under the watchful eye of the State! You see the founders, always suspicious of the people, wanted to ensure that the State had the means to alter or abolish them, should they become destructive to their true purpose, which is paying taxes. Hence the militias.
Sometimes I lie awake at night, staring at the ceiling and saying the prefatory phrase aloud to myself, again and again. If I do it for long enough, the syllables begin to meld together, and words and their meanings mix and change, and at those times the one, true meaning of the Second Amendment becomes clear--it's clearly all about hunting.
Any other interpretation is a slap in the face to our heritage!
Also, did Australia's gun laws really work? You say there were "rather obvious results", but then, the US also saw a huge reduction in gun crime in the 90s. Most western nations did! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...
However, the Chicago Police Department put out a comprehensive study of guns recovered from crimes between 2013 and 2016 and released the details here :
https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/mayor/Press%2...
There are some interesting data points in there, like more than half of the 7k guns recovered each year originated out of state and the biggest sources in state are outside county/city that has stricter gun laws. I believe the top three of the stores listed are under indictment or being sued right now. That suggests illegal guns are being sourced from places where it is easier to buy them, which shouldn't be shocking.
Another interesting data point is that more than 90% of the guns they traced back to FFL dealers were the only gun they purchased, which suggests that straw purchasers are using new people to buy the guns each time. That goes against any kind of notion that a registry of purchasers would do any good.
And more important point is that the "time to crime" was under three years for around 60% of guns they recovered. That means any policy that affects the sourcing of guns will have a pretty short turn around as illegal guns don't seem to have a long street life.
You can look at Australia in 1997 for good proof of this.
They banned most guns in 97, almost doubled police per capita, and crime fell. Less guns, less crime, there are definitely no examples where that is not true. Done. Proven. Full stop. Do not continue reading.
Please pay no attention that during 97 crime had already been falling in Australia. That crime also dropped in the USA over the same time period but by a greater rate with no exceptional increase in police per capita. All this despite record gun sales in the USA.