The slowest SR-71 Blackbird fly-by
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It’s also worth noting that airflow from the engines don’t flow over control surfaces like some light aircraft which means they’d actually have had to gain airspeed before they’d stop mushing around, further delaying recovery. Although I’m guessing that happened pretty damn fast.
Stalls can also occur at higher speed in high g maneuvers, so mushiness isn’t the only indicator of approaching a stall. But it’s pretty reliable in straight and level flight.
But steerage at slow speed is a tricky subject. I had a trawler I was terrified of at slow speed, because it was absolutely massive, and the rudder did nothing at low speed. Plus the transmission was iffy so putting it in reverse would take from 5-50 seconds. Plus being single screw her rear-end would pull to port in reverse. Never again! (A sail-boat with a big keel and big rudder, and much less beam and mass? No problem!)
Here in NL we have a type of mast that can be dropped under sail and re-set right after crossing under a bridge. This is a pretty exciting operation best practiced a large number of times without the presence of a bridge before you try it for real. Failures tend to be fairly spectacular.
Here a demo on a very small boat, I've seen this done with a big Tjalk and that was most impressive (but I can't find any video of that):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTwGCPgCsII
With a big ship it will look like an accident is about to happen until the last moment when the sail drops, the mast gets dropped backwards and they are barely out from under the bridge on the far side or the whole operation happens in reverse resulting in very little lost speed.
He is a maritime engineer, so he had it all calculated out to ensure it would hold up in rough weather. And knowing how racy he sails, I am pretty sure its been put to the test.
Most larger boats in the US do not have masts you can remove without some equipment. This is because the mast is 50-60' and really heavy. Even if it is deck-stepped, you're not going to be able to do that on the water easily.
Also, would it be possible to fly level at such a speed in an SR71? And isn't there a HUD and vertical speed warner?
On the other hand their expectation of being grounded sounds pretty accurate :)
Oh well I never flew anything better than a Cessna 172 so don't take my word for it.
On a 1960's SR-71? Probably not [1].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#/medi...
Those aircraft also use a digital flight control system that commands G instead of direct deflection of the surfaces. Therefore the aircraft feels the same at the speeds in which it is capable of delivering the G it is asked to deliver. The same back stick pressure delivers the same G. This is much different than a mechanical system in which you get more G if you are faster.
The F-16 is one such aircraft. It feels very similar at 250 knots and 650 knots.
Of course an experienced pilot immediately recognizes when the aircraft hits the G-limit due to speed. For example, at 200 knots it can't pull 5 Gs. But that only occurs when you are pulling on the stick and not in straight and level flight.
The angle of attack of being slow (just being more leaned back in the jet) is more subtle and and doesn't usually present itself until you are already really slow. The automatic flaperons and leading edge flaps, which give the wing more camber automatically, are partially a reason for this.
Point is, the slowness maybe not be as obvious as you think.
… or life.
Is what you're referring to here called coffin corner? Or is that something else?
The coffin corner is where an aircraft is flying as slow as it possibly can, but that slow speed is also very close to its maximum mach speed. So the aircraft is both in severe danger of stalling and losing lift because the speed is too low, and in severe danger of getting supersonic airflow over the wings and losing lift because the speed is too high. This occurs at high altitudes where the air is thinner and the stall speed increases.
The problem with the coffin corner is that you need to maintain the exact air speed very accurately. If you let it increase or decrease by just a couple of knots, then one of the two failures happens, and you can pitch down, which will further increase your speed above supersonic, potentially making the pilot lose control or causing damage to the airframe.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin_corner_(aerodynamics)
AF447 had nothing to do with the coffin corner - that accident was caused by the aircraft flying through icing conditions, the speed-sensing equipment icing over, the computer detecting that and switching the autopilot off and handing control over to the pilots, who then flew the aircraft into a stall and couldn't work out what they were doing wrong.
One time we were going fast
a small plane got on the radio and said "how fast am i going"
the tower said "you are going fast"
and then a bigger plane got on the radio and said "haha i think i am going faster how fast am i going"
and the tower said "you are going a little faster"
and then a jet fighter was going really fast and talked like a really cool guy and said "hey there, I sound like a cool guy, tell me how fast I'm going"
and the tower said "you are going very fast" but he sounded totally normal
And then I wanted to say something but that was against the rules, and then the other guy in my plane said "hey tower, are we going fast"
and the tower said "yes you are going like a million fast" and then the guy in my plane said "I think it's a million and one fast" and then the tower said "lol yeah ur plane is good"
and then I said "did we just become best friends"
and the other guy said "yes"
you have a talent for story-telling, but sort of from the opposite end of the spectrum; you sucked all of the heroism and bravado out of the story without actually misrepresenting any of the facets of it.
nice work.
It always sounded so fake to me. Even if someone proved it did happen.
That's not because I don't think pointy planes are cool! I went to a school with an F-104 lawn ornament.
Maybe because it’s a polished story that he told over and over? Maybe one of the planes was an added embellishment to make the story longer?
The last part is the most plausible- that they would do an unnecessary speed check as a joke to tweak a pilot of a different armed service.
That's an interesting question. I'm not a pilot, I haven't spent a lot of time listening to pilots talk, and I have no specific thing to point to that is definitively impossible. I have no reductionist explanation.
There might indeed be a core that was embellished. If so, then I think it was overdone.
Real things that happen can be unbelievable; I've had the experience of telling a true story that people completely refuse to believe. But this story is believable to many, so it doesn't seem to go in the same bucket.
Stories that get repeated a lot get tweaked along the way, eventually to their detriment. If something was originally a good story, then it's easier to make it worse than better.
The detail that makes this story not quite work for me is that it has civilian and military aircraft on the same frequency. That's now how it works in real life. They will talk to the same facility, but civilian aircraft use VHF and military aircraft use UHF. Coming into a certain dual-use airport we would often hear the ATC side of a conversation (tower transmitting on all its freqs simultaneously, which is normal) but we'd never hear the F-15s, for example.
I suppose, though, that it's possible that the military aircraft in the story switched over to the VHF frequency after hearing the ATC side of a hilariously (to them) slow speed check. I know at least some military ships have VHF capability, having talked to a few myself. Whether it's typical for the particular aircraft in the story to have VHF radios though, I don't know.
The original story has an SR71, Navy F18, multiple general aviation on the same frequency. This doesn't happen and won't happen. The military has their own frequencies, their own ifr paths, and their own air traffic control.
That's not to say the military planes cant go to GA frequencies but the story is entirely false.
"in mere hours we'd be out of the sector" rofl
and the guy said "oh yes, very fast!"
the wife asked "like really really fast?"
he answered "really really really fast!"
and the children entered the kitchen asking "how fast did you go?"
and daddy said "pretty fast"
and ...
Boeing was pretty stupid to accept the SSFL as part of the Rocketdyne deal because they assumed liability for cleaning it up. Someday, if it ever gets cleaned up enough, the State of California will take over the land and make it into a public park.
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/sr-71-blackbird-pilot-tells-...
Buzzing the tower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJYNq4GQAE
Most probably, the SR-71 would've been safe even if the missiles had been fired, but the goal was never to take it down, just to make them shift the overflight pattern to no longer be in Swedish airspace.
> They could hear ATC but not other aircraft, because civilian aircraft are on VHF frequencies, military on UHF, and anybody above 60,000 feet (like the SR-71's) were on a separate, center-wide UHF frequency so they wouldn't have to switch frequencies constantly. So the SR-71 and F-18 pilots couldn't have heard those other aircraft requesting groundspeed, or heard each other for that matter.
The SR-71 had at least 5 radios, according to the flight manual [1].
• COMNAV-50 UHF. It had two of these, one in the front cockpit and one in the aft cockpit.
• AN/ARC-186(V). This one covers the civilian aircraft frequencies (and a bit more such as the 2 meter ham band).
• 618-T HF. This covered AM and SSB on 2-30 MHz in 1 KHz increments.
• AN/ARC-190(V). Another HF radio, covering 2-30 MHz in 100 Hz increments.
It was a spy plane. Listening in on other aircraft and ATC would help it carry out its mission, so of course it is going to have plenty of radios.
It is a cool story though, kinda hope it's true but it does sound a bit too epic to be true.
To me the only thing that the doubter's story that hasn't been refuted well is the number being too specific.
What's sort of weird is the ATC says they were a controller in the 90's. Could things have changed between the when the story happened and this person was an ATC Controller?
"Speed Classified" might have been different in the early days of the 71's program. Same with the flight ceilings.
To me, the only thing that hasn't been refuted yet is the speed measurement. Specifically the part where it's a multiple of 1842 (or 1942 as was told in the story).
It's in the Dulles Air and Space museum. Go see it, if you can. You won't regret it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#Accid...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_A-12#Fate_of_the_A-12...
It's amazing how large of a vehicle it is in person. It's got to be twice the size of the F18 in front of the science center. It still looks like a spacecraft from the future even though it's nearly 70 years old.
I'm not one to bother with archive snapshots, but this site is particularly infuriating with it's attempt to prevent text selection.
Side note: I randomly tried highlighting some text and right clicking on the website—I guess a lot of people do that while reading—and was annoyed at the "you're not allowed to view source" messages. I downloaded the entire site using wget and I'm going to do what I want with the pictures and content, thank you very much. For personal use of course. Jesus...
There was a particular comment which I think was on like page 69 or so...
"Do not attempt any turns above 70,000 feet; drop to 70,000 feet first then do your turn with a turn radi of ~2miles....
Do not fly above 90,000 feet without prior authorization"
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Or some-such... so the thing was known to fly over 90K feet - but you needed approval to do so...
Nine-teen SIXTY WHAT?
But, putting it into a text browser lets me copy/paste the whole article. So it's only punishing the legitimate reader using a regular browser with JS enabled, not the potential thief!
1. "Stay ahead of the aircraft."
i.e. anticipate and manage administrative (or tactical) minutiae to put yourself in the best possible position when the tempo increases.
2. "Aviate, aviate, aviate...then navigate and communicate" (already mentioned).
This is commonly used during a crew brief prior to a flight, particularly when discussing emergency procedures. Focus on the most critical thing (EP immediate action items, keeping the bird aloft, not hitting lead or the ground) and when that's done, use your remaining bandwidth to complete the 'nice-to-have' items (e.g. keeping the flight on course, a MAYDAY call, or an advisory call to the flight/controller). I like to really emphasize the aviate portion during my briefs. Junior pilots have a tendency to try and do all three things simultaneously which can compound an already bad situation.
"Waveoff's are free."
If you see a landing going bad, don't hesitate to use a mulligan.
*Free as in you won't be judged for choosing to 'go-around' but will be held accountable if you push a bad situation that you could have prevented through better judgement.
Get-there-itis: Wanting to accomplish something (e.g. get to a cool destination or hit a time on target) so badly that you will accept unnecessary risk in order to achieve whatever you're trying to do. Many aviation (and life) mishaps are the indirect result of get-there-itis; most notably, accepting poor weather or an aircraft with maintenance issues.
This is kind of fun and I could go on...
Don't worry about what you don't have, worry about capitalizing on what you do have. And don't waste what you have.
Sharks?
Here’s another fun flyby story: http://www.usafa68.org/History/ch5.htm
The book in it's latest incarnation is $295. What on earth?
sounds like he was at the knife's edge of the stall speed.
New York Times story about the announcement: https://archive.md/oFO9J