Why WHO skipped 2 Greek letters to name new variant ‘Omicron’
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There’s no previously hard and fast rule or principle being broken here, nor is the world worse off because the Greek alphabet is merely being used as a source of neutral names rather than being followed exactly linearly.
I feel that anyone saying it’s a bad thing that Xi was skipped is probably doing so because they feel it would be edgy & funny or something China deserves, and not for any actual scientific credibility perspective.
> adding that the agency’s “best practices for naming disease suggest avoiding `causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups.”’
The list does not include brands.
Also, there are different measures of confusion: "Nu" being confused with "new" is on a phonetic level and could make actual communication difficult. "Delta (the virus)" vs "Delta (the airline)" is semantic confusion and most people are quite capable of distinguishing those unless they deliberately want to be confused.
I mean the whole pandemic is dubbed the "Coronavirus pandemic" - and while that's not an officially designated term, the WHO frequently uses it.
If they had had any consideration for Corona the beer brand, they'd probably have made that known.
They've recently performed well above average, apparently.
So it is not clear contrary to your previous comment.
You can read the exact guidelines here: https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/163636/WHO_...
In particular, they say:
Disease names may NOT include: [...]
- People's names [...]
- Cultural, population, industry or occupational references. Examples: Occupational, legionnaires, miners, butchers, cooks, nurses
What it again does not mention is brands.
While I agree, it still boggles my mind how the Corona beer (and other Coronas, like the game SDK) have been stigmatized just by sharing the same name.
It’s not about whether the names can be linked to a real world entity. That’s going to be true for all of these in some way. But about what causes severe enough confusion or controversy to hamper things.
If you’re going to name your airline after the fourth letter of the Greek alphabet you can’t exactly claim ownership over the name or insist that nobody else ever use it for anything.
One is a brand, the other is a world leader with nukes in a country our previous president was regularly stoking racism against. There’s also been a massive influx of Asian hate crimes since president Jyyynah & coronavirus.
I do not recall hearing many crimes against delta airlines because of any conspiracy theories involving them.
No, Trump did not stoke racism against Asians. Seeking accountability from the CCP is not racist. Factually stating the origin of the virus is not racist. Stating something that inconveniences the CCP is not racist. Also names like “Wuhan virus” were in common broad use both in China and the US until it became a political tool to attack Trump. And also not everything is racist or xenophobic more generally. Such labels are applied inconsistently and selectively, especially in the case of Trump. For example consider how travel bans were allegedly racist and xenophobic under Trump but completely acceptable under Biden (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flashback-biden-suggested-t...).
> There’s also been a massive influx of Asian hate crimes
I’m not sure where you live but the biggest fear of hate crimes against Asians has not been from something related to COVID. There is a massive spike in black on Asian crimes in the Bay Area (and a few other locations), which news media won’t even cover honestly (by either not running the story or not showing mugshots or not providing a description that includes race). Instead activist researchers have been gaslighting the Asian community with false studies claiming that the majority of hate crimes against Asians are from whites spurred on by COVID, based on those very news reports which often omit race when a black suspect is involved. Among the Asian community, these claims that white on Asian hate crimes are the majority are now seen as racist gaslighting.
Ahh, another day, another reminder that people on the internet simply can’t be reasoned with.
More than 2/3rds of my town have Trump related paraphernalia visible on their property. Do you really want to tell me about what all Trump has stoked hate against.
The fact you mention gaslighting is just grand, lol.
Not directly related, but this comment reminds me of one of the last times I went to a movie theater in this area, whenever The Interview (Kim Jong-Un) came out. There was a group of… South Eastern Asians from their general appearance. Elderly owner of the movie theater who often does ticketing at night says, in one of the most fucked up tones of voices I’ve ever heard, “you aren’t all Koreans are you” to them.
It was pretty disgusting. Funnily enough, he has his entire movie theater plastered in Trump praise & signage, something something he’s constitutionally still the president.
You seem like you don’t understand the level of hate Trump has emboldened, or that you’re just one of the haters & want to troll.
"'Nu’ is too easily confounded with `new,’ and `Xi’ was not used because it is a common last name”, the WHO said, adding that the agency’s “best practices for naming disease suggest avoiding `causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional or ethnic groups’".
:tw_flag:Mu (https://forebears.io/surnames?q=mu) is more common than Xi (https://forebears.io/surnames?q=xi).
"Omicron" and all manner of misspellings are going to be way easier to search for.
"Hey, are you worried about the nu variant?"
"No, I'm worried about the new variant."
"I knew you knew about the nu one, but about the new one I didn't know you knew."
"Yeah, the nu one is not the new one. I'm also concerned about any that are newer than the new one."
"I knew the new one was newer than the nu one, but is there one that's newer than the new one?"
"Wish I knew. Guess ioata find out."
Bending over backwards to avoid offending people isn't good policy, because it just lowers the bar for what makes people offended.
The pronunciation of Xi isn't as well-known anyway, Omicron is better in conversations.
[1] I don't really know if this is a family name for anyone outside of the Chinese and overseas Chinese communities
But Xi is a pretty common surname in China, and the virus has already caused enough hatred towards Asians in general, there's no point in fueling it even more.
Xiè is the 23rd most common name, Xià is the 65th most common one. There's plenty of others who are very similar, but the pronunciation will be much different, so I'm skipping those.
But when you just need to argue semantics to make your point, perhaps your point isn't that strong at all. And honestly, the spelling of "Xi" has indeed nothing to do with my argument, it was the deeper point that is at issue. I.e. the ongoing abuse towards Asians, naming the virus Xi simply would fuel it.
Just doing some ad-hoc lookup showed me that here are at-least over 700,000 People with "Xi" as the last name. Not including quite similar names like "Xié".
Sure that there is a certain very powerful person with that name, probably mattered in making them rethink if they should use it. Still there being over half a Million people with that name is a sound argument anyway.
I assume this is because ancient Greeks spell the phonetic version of the letter as “νῦ”. The second of those letters is “υ” (upsilon) which in Greek sounds like “e” when put after a consonant.
WHO should have used Chinese characters, would have been more fun.
Or numbers -v1, -v2 etc. Or semver (1.3, 1.4, 2, ...).
The current naming is not even pronounced currently (at least in France), omicron is prononced with o.n at the end (the English way) instead of the french way (on being a single sound). I have no idea why, given that everyone here loses their shit evertime English is nibbling on French.
Lastly, this notion that things that offend must not be spoken even if there is a rational reason for them (like just being the next in the alphabet) is a dangerous precedent. The political left will probably welcome it, because much of their social justice causes are built on this type of sentiment. But seeing trusted institutions practice the same ideology is creepy and a dystopian distortion of reality.
It’s better that people learn some Greek letters.
Just want to snuff that out: https://www.who.int/news/item/08-05-2015-who-issues-best-pra...
Both VOIs and VOCs get Greek letter names.