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My first X (2016) went to the shop 17 times in the first year, all for different issues. It’s now finally more or less working reliably.

I got a new X in 2019 and so far it’s had no issues at all.

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> I got a new X in 2019

I certainly salute you for your tenacity with the brand. After I unloaded my 2016 Model X, you couldn't convince me to touch another one of those cars with a 10-foot pole.

I'm a Tesla hater, but I think it's reasonable to assume their quality will dramatically improve as they get production figured out and stop hacking things together to meet their numbers.

Well, Musk actively avoids the Toyota Production System which seems insane and offends me as an engineer. So I don't think quality will improve until he changes his stubborn tune.

I mean, you could put a ton of effort into improving quality, consistency, etc.

Or you could just Tweet that anyone critical of your car is a big oil funded Tesla-shorting planet hating shill.

One gets you most of the other, for an awful lot less actual effort.

I mean this is the same guy who camped out at the factory for like 3 weeks to iron out all the production issues with model 3 and scale production up to meet demand, and it more or less worked. Perhaps you don't need the Toyota production system after all

This is exactly why you need it. TPS empowers every line worker, not some central hero. You are describing hero culture, which in my opinion is toxic.

I think the Detroit automakers have the same mentality. It's almost like there's this racism belief that the Japanese could never have figured something out that Westerners haven't.

That's not true at all. Here's an article about the reality:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125229...

Incidentally, it really bothers me that you play the racism card so easily and casually without evidence. Please stop doing that.

GM proceeded to ignore everything that worked at that plant (and still does, nevermind what that article says). They flat out refused to learn from Toyota even when they saw it upfront.

We live in a racist world. You either accept it or be blind to many of the problems of the world.

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