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The other matter of concern is how many of these bits of data end up on servers outside of the EU, if you want something done about it you are essentially powerless.

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At the end of the day, does it even really matter where the data is stored?

It shouldn't be recorded in the first place.

Not always true. It depends on the circumstances.

That being said, I will never get a Ring doorbell or something similar. I also believe that the tech companies should not be allowed to hoard data about people’s private or public lives at all.

Should CC processors be allowed to hard data about people's purchase and spending? What about merchants?

If yes, why them, and not tech firms?

What about no?

No, absolutely not.

So, a store can't record that you bought something from them.

That's the way it used to work.

Why should they record that?

Is there an equivalent to the AML/CFT regulations?

I don't think that's true.

We had abusive neighbours who damaged our belongings before so we essentially had to install a CCTV system. They were coax cameras hooked up to a DVR with no internet functionality (and that data had to be overridden regularly due to the size of the disk).

At the end of the day, if you're under threat of damage to your things, I would recommend a CCTV system. You won't see me recommending Amazon's offerings (or any other "cloud" solution rolls eyes), though.

I wouldn't care about that at all. A foreign government has far less possibility for abuse. It shouldn't happen either, but the domestic player should be the focus here. Mass surveillance doesn't improve anything aside from paranoia. We don't suffer crime or terrorism waves, so why even increase security at all? For some property damage? I get that data protection get in the way sometimes, but for this case I want to be meticulously excluded.

Any yes, I have been victim of vandalism multiple times. Doesn't mean I want to be surveilled forever. There is no absolute security.

I believe you can complain to your local data commissioner, eg https://ico.org.uk. They should cover this and the right to have an automated decision reviewed manually.

.uk is not European

Not the EU*

Unless I'm mistaken the UK hasn't drifted off and become and independent island chain separate from Europe

European means different things in different contexts. Sometimes it is used as the adjective form of EU member state. Discussion of an aarticle in which Germany is calling for a Eurpean ban is such a context, since that is the form the title is using.

It doesn’t help that this has been codified into the names of various organizations, like the Council of Europe (ECHR, etc.), EEA, EU, and others that all refer to different subsets of countries on the continent. I suppose this renders any straightforward alternative relatively limited in scope even if a term to refer to one of these memberships was agreed upon.

> Sometimes it is used as the adjective form of EU member state.

Sometimes people make mistakes, sometimes outright errors. Sometimes people use language to push ideas they like, such as "the EU is Europe" and thus not being a part of the EU is somehow an offence against nature. I'm not sure why these mistakes, errors, and mendacities should go unchallenged and uncorrected.

Every use of "Europe" in that article could be replaced with "EU" and it would be the better for it.

People outside the EU do not realize this: “Not European” is used colloquially by people in the European Union to refer to EU countries, institutions, etc.

Many countries/languages use versions of “The US” and USA to avoid confusing the US with America. So it’s only reasonable that we make the distinction for Europe and the EU.

The problem is the there’s no specific term for the people living in either the US or the EU, so we “wrongly” use Americans and European.

European Union citizens and United States citizens are an extremely heterogeneous group of people, which is the situation at hand. Besides being a citizen, there is truly no shared identity in this situation.

Note: I say this as both a US|EU citizen.

In my experience it's mostly people outside of Europe who confuse the EU with Europe, whereas Europeans are less likely to make that error.

> Unless I'm mistaken the UK hasn't drifted off and become and independent island chain separate from Europe

Some would argue that's exactly what happened but your point is valid, EU != 'Europe the continent'. The problem is that such imprecise usage is rampant.

At least it's not up for grabs by the EU as easily there

If a law says a company doing buisness in EU may not track users with face recognition, then you surely could charge them, if they merely outsource to outside of the EU as they are still the ones ordering the illegal surveillance.

> if you want something done about it you are essentially powerless.

I wouldn't say people are "essentially powerless", especially in the EU with GDPR. I can't speak for other parts of the world of course (CCPA is the only thing remotely similar to GDPR that I'm aware of in America).

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