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Depends on what you mean by "better". MATLAB and python+numpy will almost certainly run faster than R in almost all situations, they are also far more pleasant to program in (in my opinion).

However R has the advantage that it will have support for every obscure statistical analysis routine you can ever think of. It also has better support for reading in data from all kinds of sources and handling things like missing and invalid data. So if your goal is to quickly read in a bunch of data sets (that are small enough that performance isn't a critical issue) from arbitrary sources, run a bunch of statistical functions on that data and turn those results into pretty graphs, then R is pretty great.

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Correct. The language R is just plain weird (insane ideas about scoping/binding that seem to be completely unlike anything you've seen in any reasonably designed language in the last 20 years) and not very efficient to boot, unless you hit one of the bits that's just C under the hood.

However, the vast, vast repository of every statistical analysis under the sun - not just 'core R' but every thing that any statistician has hacked up - is unparalleled.

My 'coping with R' strategy is to do all the heavy lifting data manipulation in C/C++/Python, then do one-shot things in R. I just pass csv files around but there are tighter integrations of R and python if you want to look into that.

Just as an aside, "coping with R" would be an awesome concept for a book or series of blog posts.

Or maybe 'Living with R', sort of akin to the self-help-book 'Living with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome' type genre.

Could you go into more detail about the "insane" scoping/binding ideas? I've always found the environment model very straightforward and am wondering if I'm missing something.

What you describe is typically how I use R. It certainly has it limits performance wise, but it is hard to beat as a "stat toolbox". Even in cases where it wasn't up to performance needs, I've found it useful for investigating which methods to use prior to implementing a full-blown solution.

For example, I used the free R package "earth" to confirm that something like MARS(Multivariate Adaptive Regression Splines) is a good approach to a particular analysis. For my client that initial test justified paying Salford Systems for their great, but expensive, CART/MARS software.

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