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I like to think of like this:

I use Next.js for my marketing site.

I use Remix for my web app.

Next is good if you just need to get some HTML on the page. Remix is good if you need a connect to a database or backend API.

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I'm curious what do you think is missing from Next.js that would make it better at connecting to databases and backend APIs?

There is a bit of evidence that people are building heavily used web apps with Next.js that connect to databases, backend APIs, and expose APIs of their own, for example: https://nextjs.org/showcase

Yeah, other than the nested route thing, there doesn’t seem to be that much difference between Next and Remix when it comes to talking to a database.

Next.js has had nested routes since version 6. Not sure I see the difference in what Remix is offering?

https://nextjs.org/docs/routing/introduction#nested-routes

I don't think the nested routes mean the same thing on the NextJS page. To my knowledge, NextJS doesn't support nested routers which is really what many are after. Like in the Remix demo, there are various content areas with nested content, which would be controlled by the URL. You can create url parameters manually like /account/:tab/:id but it's kinda hacky as you have to use router.params['param-here'] to get the parameter and the handle the rendering yourself. You'd really want an account router to handle each tab in the account area, and then each tab in that area has its own nested router than can display the relevant content (based on the ID of the invoice for example).

I think what you're looking for is nested routes _and_ layouts. It's possible in Next but IMO it's not the prettiest.

https://nextjs.org/docs/basic-features/layouts#per-page-layo...

1. Vendor-lock 2. Iffy folder structure. Some stuff both front-end & back-end will live under /pages. 3. Suboptimal experience when you have to use middleware. Disclaimer, haven't tried the latest updates, but I assume it's vercel only.

Remix have just been released and you're already jumping to conclusions ? What's missing from NextJS to connect your own backend framework like django rails express or whatever ? Or even using their api routes + something like Prisma and a SQl/NoSQL database ? Basically nothing.

We can call it the Gatsby-Next-Remix continuum.

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