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I haven't heard of a single person dropping out due to the vaccine. Mind sharing some papers?

CDC of US links COVID mRNA vaccines with increased risk of heart inflammation among young adult men, with a note that this is rare and these risks are smaller than risks of COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/my...

the stats on it have varied from report to report around 200 to 700 cases per million.

That is not "rare" as some people advocating vaccinating large populations.

Given that the super low infection rate, and miniscule mortality among young healthy adult men, it violates do no harm / NNT.

Not really, because the risk of myocarditis/pericarditis when contracting Covid is several times larger than through the mRNA vaccines.

Makes sense given that you are exposed to fewer viral particles through the vaccines.

There is also a difference between Moderna and Biontech/Pfizer, which is why many countries vaccinate under 30s only with Biontech.

And yes, SARS-Cov-2 will very likely become endemic, like the other human corona viruses before it. As a result close to 100 percent of everybody, including young healthy adult men, will contract the virus.

I don't have any scientific papers, but I can tell you it's frequent to read in the local newspaper here (east of France) about some cardiac problem on amateur football (soccer) fields.

The last I read last week the guy's heart stopped 2 times before he could be rushed to the hospital.

There's also a list that is circulating on social medias of celebrities that had problems after their vaccines.

Is it linked? I don't know, but before the vaccines these kind of problems were almost unheard of.

Then let's wait until we have real data before jumping to conclusions. Your environment may just be a statistical outlier. Or you are more attuned to it because of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

Myocarditis rates are something like 30x higher in COVID infection cases vs. vaccination. So even if this phenomenon was real 1) you'd have to rule out it actually being because of COVID infection, and 2) the baseline for "it wasn't like this before" should compare to what happens with the statistically inevitable infection with COVID vs. in the presence of vaccines.

The reality is we have COVID, it's not going away and the effects are far worse, so this is the control scenario now.

> Myocarditis rates are something like 30x higher in COVID infection cases vs. vaccination.

Source of this please?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.107...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

(influenza vaccine effect - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15976761/) et al

I'm not sure, specifically, where the 30x claim comes from. There are a myriad of studies showing a measurable increase.

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