Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record
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Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-...
"issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100."
My car is reliable, as in, it drives, applies nowadays mostly to old beaters, that you buy only to drive and fix anything with a duct tape.
Unless you drive a Chevy, Nissan, or Ford!
Kia isn't Japanese. And Toyota has had problems since their zienth mid 90s. So nobody has got a lock on this. But one has gotta stay after it
An old Model X has issues. Big whoop. They shipped a handful compared what they are now shipping.
In fact, I've seen a brand new Model 3 last year... The amount of manufacturing defects and design issues its owner found in the first week would be unthinkable for a Skoda Fabia. If Tesla wasn't leap and bounds ahead on the drivetrain (including batteries), they'd be on their way out.
I'd sy 80-90% are fine, but 1 in 10 or the gaps are so bad you can see the asymmetric gaps from 30+ ft away, most often Model Ys anecdotally. I even see what looks like added seals around sides of the rear hatch sometimes.
Really... this seems like a study designed to get clicks and not make real predictions. An actual result with units saying something like "16% of vehicles surveyed lost more than 1 day of utility due to maintenance problems in their first year" would be really interesting. No one has that, alas. So we all end up arguing about bad science.
(My car is just great, FWIW.)
It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The previous one was Chrysler.
Honestly, under-warranty misaligned panels and air conditioning complaints are not signs that the company is bad. They are signs that those with an interest in keeping us burning their oil are stooping to any low to kick up dirt on the company responsible for bringing electric cars to mass market appeal. My children smile and point in delight at every Tesla the see, like I used to do in the 1980 at Porches.
For example, that touchscreen. Using physical buttons and knobs to adjust things in the car means that the driver do not need to move their sight away from the road, and can do it blindly (because the buttons and knobs are physical that you can feel with your finger). With a huge touch screen and almost no physical buttons, you need to look at the screen almost every time you need to touch something to make sure that you are touching the right thing. This, and the whole "auto drive" shitshow, among a lot of other examples, shows how Tesla don't care about the safety of anyone outside of their cars. And for a car, safety should be treated with the foremost importance.
Like - what do you even need, while driving? Music controls ("next", volume) and wipers, and blinkers? Done, and easily, and (nearly) clearly. The minimalism is (IMHO) beautiful and very effective.
Otherwise, occasionally move the map around. Very rarely change destination address after I've started driving. One a season or something for other stuff (signing into Spotify), but that's pretty much always before I start any drive.
What do you even do in you car, while driving, that needs tactile buttons that aren't already covered?
Having to open a menu for wipers is the opposite of that.
From my experience, most Tesla apologists do not have a good frame of reference for what other manufacturers offer in the same price point. It's usually their first car that was not an economy car/base model. Of course a Model S is going to feel like the greatest car on the planet if you've only been driving Camry's or whatever. There are so many nuances of experiencing a car that they just don't understand and have no interest in, because when it comes down to it they like the tech experience Tesla provides, not the experience of driving a car.
I'd take the Model Y any day. It's the easiest and most intuitive vehicle I've ever driven. I used to think the same way about physical buttons. But in reality, as others have said, you rarely use the touchscreen while driving--and basically everything can be controlled by voice with a tap of a button on the steering wheel. Unlike other carmakers, the voice recognition actually works. I'm guessing they use Google for voice processing?
All the primary controls that you might need are located along the bottom of the screen. That includes front/read defrost, heated seats, etc. The volume controls are conveniently found on right, which is ideal for passengers (since the driver would just use the scroll wheel).
While driving, I use voice commands for turning on heated seats and/or steering wheel. For setting the temperature, it's literally a single tap on steering wheel, "temperature 67", or "I'm cold", and it'll lower it by 3 degrees. Probably the only time I really use the touch screen is to pull up The Bike Shed podcast and select an episode (which can also be done by voice). Other times include starting the karaoke, which is great fun when you're with family.
My mom's Lexus SUV, by comparison, is an unusable abomination of complexity. I think I counted nearly 100 buttons, including a useless "tactile" trackpad. Much of the criticism aimed at the touch interface are from people who have one thing in common: they don't drive one, and therefore make assumptions based on existing experience and intuition.
For what it matters, I'm a millennial. But regardless of age, every person who's driven my car remarks on how intuitive and easy to use it is. To be fair, there's stuff that isn't initially intuitive. When I first got the vehicle, I couldn't figure out how to put it in reverse :-). And the interaction of Autopilot and its fallback to TACC (cruise control) during disengagement, the use of the accelerator or right stalk to confirm going through traffic lights--all of which take some getting used to. But the same would apply if those systems existed in other vehicles.
The touch screen isn't that intuitive either. I've yet to figure out how to take an address suggestion and then also add a street number.
If you can afford Porsche the Taycan is leagues beyond anything that Tesla offers from a quality and driving dynamics standpoint. The Taycan uses the 992 911's (latest generation) steering rack and it really shows. It provides lots of feedback and feels very precise and responsive. It feels like Porsche, it's not numb and toned down just because it's an EV. They're also working on an electric Cayenne.
Unlike other auto-wipers I've used in the past, the wipers on my Telsa Model Y are fantastic. By that mean, in nearly a year of driving, I've never once manually adjusted the wiper speed (or even thought about it). That includes extremely heavy downpours. The only time I interact with the wipers on the touch screen is to disable them before going through a car wash.
I believe they use the optical cameras for rain detection, unlike traditional sensor-based approaches (which were genuinely terrible).
I disagree. Dirty windshields and worn out blades often make them act erratically. Anyone who lives in a snowy climate knows how salty roads instantly cover your windshield and turn it into an opaque screen without constantly spraying it. I've seen them turn on just because the windshield was dirty, there wasn't even water on the windshield.
Here's a pretty ridiculous video of some guys showing how the wipers will turn on for just about any kind of obstruction of the camera. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SSYFMtdJ5k
My major annoyance is the glove box. I probably only opened the glove box 3-4 times a year, but the inconvenience of navigating the touch screen for that far outweighs my cumulative annoyance about wipers, which is pretty nonexistent.
I'm far more annoyed at massive view of the car and it's bad estimations of nearby cars. I'd much rather have that prime real estate be occupied by geographical map than a useless and inaccurate map of nearby cars.
Not from my experience. Having a dirty windshield or worn out wiper blades causes them to act erratically because the sensors aren't being properly cleaned. I've never heard of another manufacturer with rain sensing wipers removing the physical controls from them too. It's a horrible design choice.
Front and rear defrost, mist light, wipers, rear passenger airco are things I miss physical buttons for. Mist light is the most annoying since you can't even use voice control and it's fairly deep in the menu. Same thing for passenger airco.
I've never even heard of a situation where someone needed to turn on defrosters while driving; I've certainly only ever turned it on before driving (and then it stays fine).
I can see the rear passenger airco, but only if you only have rear passengers, since reaching up there isn't going to work.
They are not the same and are not activated through the pull action. The only way I've found to turn them on is `car`, quick controls, rear mist lights. Maybe your car doesn't have them but they are mandatory in Europe.
> I've never even heard of a situation where someone needed to turn on defrosters while driving
Ideally not, but have you never started driving and only then realize how bad your vision in the back is? Or maybe you would want to turn it off when the frost is gone.
> I can see the rear passenger airco, but only if you only have rear passengers, since reaching up there isn't going to work.
When you have kids that's something that will happen frequently.
Nissan has manufactured over 500,000 Leafs[1] since 2010, Ferrari has produced about 220,0000 in their entire existence [2]
>Honestly, under-warranty misaligned panels and air conditioning complaints are not signs that the company is bad
That's a sign their manufacturing process and QA are terrible. What are you objectively measuring Tesla's reputation on if it's not their ability to manufacture cars? As a life long auto enthusiast I can't roll my eyes any harder at Tesla fanboys who excuse this kind of poor quality on such expensive cars.
1. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1129561_nissan-has-made...
2. https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/manufacturer-information/h...
0: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-...
1: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/06/us-auto-sales-down-in-2019-b...
I think people kind of overemphasize the things the rich people do, and don't get how much a nonissue they are otherwise for everyone else. Like everyone talks about remote work constantly, but really only a minority of people can even hope to do it; many people got laid straight off during the pandemic instead.
Tesla is not the only EV maker anymore, so they can't hide behind "but it's an EV, so… that's where the money goes"
This is the Great Man theory of history applied to industry. Without Tesla, someone else would have done it because the confluence of available technologies came together.
Huh -- what was "American" about DeLorean, besides the founder/owner being from the US? The company was based in the UK (Northern Ireland) AFAIK, or possibly Ireland.
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf...
I think high reliability should be easier for EVs. Electric motors have fewer moving parts, and can be sealed. They don't need to withstand literally thousands of explosions per minute, or be open to outside air.
It seems that Tesla is just an outlier with their panel gaps and over-engineered falcon wing doors.
1. https://insideevs.com/news/548679/kia-ev6-charging-record-us...
EDIT: BTW someone predicted results for different cars using ABRP: https://old.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/qwnsa1/ki...
All cars on the list should be able to do the trip in under two days. Furthermore, median predicted charging time is seven hours as well. The best results could be under six hours.
I’m just glad there are now other brands matching the performance of Teslas. Their marketing and brand image, so popular with many people, are total anathema to me. I’m not in the market now but can’t see myself getting a Tesla.
https://www.themarketingish.com/newsletter/tesla-advertising
Very early in the article
> To clarify before we begin, advertising and marketing are not the same thing. According to the American Marketing Association marketing is “the process of identifying customer needs and determining how to best meet those needs.” In contrast, “advertising is the exercise of promoting a company and its products or services through paid channels.” Yes, Tesla does spend money on marketing albeit significantly less than the competition. For instance, in 2015 Tesla spent $58.3 million on marketing when competitors like BMW spent $196.6 million.
They needed to put mass into space, might as well make it funny
My point is that Tesla can achieve the same revenue levels without necessitating a 4x increase in marketing spend.
Here are the factors that influence your total charge time.
1. Charger speeds vary from 50 kWh to 250 kWh. That's 5x difference just based on what charger you'll happen to use.
2. The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could use twice as much energy as driving at 65 mph.
How fast you drive will have an enormous effect on how much energy you use and therefore how much you'll need to recharge during the trip.
In extreme case, you can hypermile i.e. drive very slowly. For example someone in 2018 Model 3 did 606 miles on a single charge (a car rated at less than 300 miles). It just took them 32 hrs because they drove so slowly (https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/29/17405906/tesla-model-3-hy...)
BTW: this is why EPA range is not representative. Their test is at 65 mph while my un-scientific observation of highway driving tells me people drive at least 75 mph.
3. Details of recharging matter because it's non-linear. Charging to 80% of battery takes roughly the same amount of time as charging remaining 20% to 100%
3. More people in car => more weight => more energy usage.
Use a/c? More energy usage.
Strong winds? More energy usage.
Driving uphill? More energy usage.
The point is that unless you strictly control for all those factors, any comparison is useless garbage, just like this click bait article with zero information about how the test was done.
Those days you can't even trust car magazines to do a decent comparison test.
If you want fair and scientific comparisons between various electric cars, Bjorn Nyland is your guy https://www.youtube.com/user/bjornnyland/videos
I don't think anyone expects their Sunday road trip to beat a world record.
Does this mean I'll use twice as much gas when driving an ICE car at 85 vs 65? Or do gas cars have a higher constant factor or something that makes air resistance relatively less important?
Probably closer to 50% more, because while drag is roughly proportional to the square of speed (which would yield ~70% more with this speed difference), there is also rolling resistance and powertrain losses - so the function of energy consumption vs speed is of the form: ax^2 + bx + c("c" being accessories like air conditioning).
air resistance doesn’t care whether the motive force is a gas engine, electric motors, nuclear powering steam turbines, Flinstone feet, or a wound up spring. All that matters is the cars form factor, i.e. the shape and texture of the outer shell.
Tesla Superchargers are 250 kW. Tesla Destination Chargers (and probably the majority of other EV chargers) are 50 kW.
It was done on a closed loop track 1 mile long driving 20-30mph.
I did it in Model 3 LR which is rated ~335 miles but I was driving fast (75-90 mph) and my car was loaded with boxes so I got ~220 miles between stops.
I did 3 or 4 stops a day, 30 min - 1hr per stop, which I used to eat and rest. About 2-3 hrs of driving between stops.
The car told me where and when to stop. I just typed the destination address and followed what Tesla navigation system told me.
One time it even warned me to slow down so that I don't run out of battery (I was driving 85 mph and slowed down to 75 mph).
First day I used autopilot but I didn't like how often it kicked me out thinking I'm not paying attention.
Rest of the time I used adaptive cruise control which was amazing. I could just focus on the steering (and there wasn't much of it on those straight highways).
In summary, driving for 5 days straight sucks no matter what car.
Tesla's built-in navigation and adaptive cruise control made the trip so much better.
Built-in spotify was also great (listened to some music and some podcasts).
Wait, is this really the speed of long-distance driving in the US? I've just did the conversion and when I'm taking kids to see their grandma, we set the cruise control to 110mph for the most part.
Edit: this doesn't make it my average speed, as much of the time is spent decelerating because of whatever is happening and accelerating back. The average through that 850km stretch is likely closer to 160km/h, I should measure it one day. For the curious: over the whole 3000km roundtrip I seem to be burning fuel at about 7l/100km, or 33.6mpg.
Isn't that the same guidance as the Autobahn?
Also, I get it for eastern MT, but my mom and step dad were living in Helena at the time, and my step dad drove way too fast for those unstraight mountain roads. It wasn't just traffic that they brought the speed limits back for.
The article doesn't have a lot of details, but it would be interesting to know how long ago the Tesla set that record, as they continuously improve on their vehicles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AlfsRk21TU
It's a feature of Hyundai's E-GMP platform cars (Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Genesis GV60).
YouTube has a lot of amateur enthusiast videos of real world range tests and charging speeds and things for most electric vehicles. People drive different electric cars to meet at some random charging station and compare their efficiency and recharging.
(I should know, I attentively watched a bunch before testing and then ordering an EV6 last week :) )
I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value.
Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hankering for adornments.
Maybe I'm wrong.
For one, cooled seats is almost a must if you want to be comfortable in certain climates. Even in cooler climates, I typically run hot, and having my back cooled is a major benefit to my comfort and reducing fatigue on longer trips and even shorter trips.
Also, a Tesla and Kia EV6 cost a bit more than your 2007 Toyota.
My 2015 Kia has all these niceties and is still basically brand new and still has warranties in the drivetrain. It will easily last over a decade. For the Tesla, I get it, because they add stuff that does indeed break all the time. Kia is a different story.
There are simpler EVs, e.g. Peugeot e-208 and Renault Zoe are "normal" cars with an electric motor.
There's also the new cheap Dacia Spring that has nothing fancy. The base model doesn't even have a touch screen, and looks like a car from the early '90s.
brb buying a Dacia
Does it? This reminds me of a constant refrain on the internet about nearly any medical or safety advancement, where people say something along the lines of "we survived just fine before". But we didn't. Life expectancy for most of human existence, and right up until early 1900s, was mid-50s. And we had billions fewer people, because the death rate was so much higher despite a much higher birth rate. US modern car fatality rate per 100k people peaked around 1970, at around 26. Now the rate is 11. Or if you want to normalize by VMT (vehicle miles traveled), the rate is still over 4x less, 5x less compared to the 60s. And that's just fatalities. What about simpler injuries, or even plain old fenderbenders which can still be quite expensive and time consuming?
These days, accidents involving blind spots are an obvious next thing to pursue. Looking at stats from the NHTSA and such, seems to be around 2000 deaths per year from parking lot accidents and 91000 injuries. 360 degree cameras have obvious value there. Even more so because now we care a lot more about fuel efficiency, but aerodynamic shapes don't always lend themselves to great native visibility particularly since we also care about driver/passenger protection.
Cooled seats is more of a comfort feature, but then again a significant number of accidents are due to people getting sleepy, irritated or otherwise distracted. And too hot a car can definitely affect that. Cooling the seat can be an efficient way of greatly improving comfort without the energy of cooling all the air in the car so much.
Carplay/Android Auto obviously have more minimal safety implications. They could be negative if they are badly implemented and increase distraction, or positive if they allow more control without removing attention from the road via voice or navigation that is more attention friendly then trying to use a phone while driving. But nevertheless they are now becoming more important features in terms of navigation and roles that were previously played by radio.
So as is so often the case I don't think a naked "my ancient car 'drives fine'" is justified as the standard that should exist forever. And I say that as someone still driving a pretty old car (2006 Volvo) much of the time. And it was fine for the time. But that doesn't mean I think progress stopped in 2006 anymore then it stopped in 1996, 1986, 1976, 1966, or 1956.
LE in the US started ramping up around 1800 and increased all through the 1800s.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2885717/pdf/nih... (page 44 / table 4)
Then I bought an electric car and besides being so much nicer to drive, automatic emergency braking saved my and my partner’s life at least twice on 101 from insane drivers merging like crazy.
None of these features are necessary, but they’re really nice.
The utilitarian value of literally all cars is that they get you from A to B. Your Avalon has a V6 engine, tire pressure monitoring, alloy wheels, side airbags, traction control, a stereo system, climate control, power adjusted front seats, etc. You don't really need any of that.
Or maybe you literally can't go anywhere unless you have a leather-covered gear shift knob.
I drive a 2017 Suzuki Spacia, which is a bargain basement family micro- van (kei box car). It cost around $16,000 new, I got it for $8,000 used 2 years later.
It has auto emergency braking, lane departure warning, 360 degree parking cameras, CarPlay/Android Auto, and smaller niceties like auto lights, auto mirrors and keyless entry, and one power sliding door.
And it's a mild hybrid, so it has a Li-ion battery and electric motor assist (mild hybrid means it can't run on the electric motor only, it can only assist in acelleration).
All these trinkets for $16,000 i still find pretty impressive
I don’t remember Tesla recalling all their EVs for fire concerns.
Looks like they’ll be using the same electric platform for future vehicles.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/04/tesla-f...
Also Tesla's have caught fire. It's a risk with all EV's.
Kia also loads up the options on the second trim up (the bottom trim is often stripped down). You do get a lot for the money.
And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV).
Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically difficult problem?
I'm guessing you went with a Honda?
But you should still check out the Pacifica. It might be a lot better now, four years later.
The only thing that might be a problem is that there’s a thickness to the battery. Because SUVs are higher up it’s sort of easy to “hide“. But since minivans are much lower there may not be much space between the battery and the bottom of the car to put one.
But more than anything I would guess it’s a demand thing.
edit: It was originally supposed to go on sale "late 2021" now I see it's "late 2022".
People who used to buy minivans now have 3 options:
- if you don't need to transport more than 5 people, you can get an SUV. There are lots of electric options.
- if you want to transport 5-7 people and want a lot of cargo space, you can get what wikipedia calls a "leisure activity vehicle" (VW Caddy, Renault Kangoo, Mercedes Citan). A new electric Kangoo with longer range is coming, and there's the Mercedes EQT concept based on it which is as close to an electric minivan as you'll get.
- If you want an even bigger car that can transport up to 8 people there's the EQV from Mercedes.
VW is positioning the new T7 as replacement for Touran/Sharan/Alhambra and the ID.Buzz for instance is supposed to be a replacement as well when it's available.
Then If you want more, you have to get a 7-seater. But actually using it as such eliminates any cargo space from the boot.
And this while the outer rear seats are hugely wide and there is a ton of space between theseat and the door. My Passat gte has 20cm on each side where the sitting part of the bench extends further than the back of the bench. That could also have been used to make a comfortable seat in the middle.
For those saying that SUVs can fit this use case...the SUVs are almost entirely small crossovers. They have the shape but you can't fit more people than a car.
I think the the real world experience is the inverse of what the article suggest.
Kia and Hyundai will make good competition on the low end
Also the Guinness record they beat was Tesla's old record so even if the test wasn't an accurate representation of real life, Tesla still underperformed Kia in those conditions.
- Do you find a charger near you
- Does it work?
- Does it charge your particular vehicle fast?
The rest is regular driving at mandated speed, nothing special with that.
Most DC fast charger have been a clusterfuck so far, with the exception of Tesla that control all of their system.
For sure it does represent only a tiny fraction of real world usage who is mostly to use your EV fully charged from home for daily commute.
The low end in price or quality?
Because it’s price, yes, and quality, no. Hyundai and Kia make some of the most quality cars available and have extensive warranties, both far better than Tesla.
That may change.
The Korean will probably make the best cars after Tesla, GM, Ford will go out of business, the chinese cars will take over all the low cost cars.
Well, Kia dusted that off and drove their new car across the country. And they took a week to do it, but in the process it was only being charged for seven hours.
To be fair: 800V cars do indeed charge faster! It seems like a nice car. But this is just silly.
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/the-application...
800V allows cheaper cabling, but that has nothing to do with the charging rate of the battery cells.
As people switch to EVs range anxiety is a big thing, but once I became an owner I realized charge curve mattered way more than static range. I’d rather dump charge in at low state of charge and make a couple more short stops than sit around waiting to get to 80+% as the curve tapers.
Higher voltage also reduces power losses.
Not sure what you are arguing against here, to be honest - are you defending Tesla‘s system? Slow charging is one of the main arguments against EVs, it’s great that this is finally being fixed.
It was a Model S P85D in 2015!
Here's the original source, FWIW. InsideEVs basically dug around to find something comparable and called it a "record": https://insideevs.com/news/548679/kia-ev6-charging-record-us...
I'd vote for "something else" since the old trip took 2.4 days (~90 km/h on average) while the new one took 7 days (~27 km/h on average).
It felt like something from another time, that was accepted on cheap Android tablets but for sure not on brand new cars.
I'm also happy about the Tesla software. It's not as smooth as an iPad pro, it runs on a shit Intel atom, but it's very good for a car.
I also heard good things about Android running on the Polestar 2 or the future Renault Mégane.
Trying to do it with a Mickey Mouse contraption like a generator in a trailer would likely be inefficient and inconvenient compared to an integrated system like a PHEV. Generators are not as efficient as just getting electricity directly from power lines. PHEV's engines are there to power the vehicle when the battery is depleted. they don't try to recharge the battery as that would cost more than just plugging in on a charger.
I always assumed they had regenerative braking.
Until these cars are more reasonably priced (up front cost) the majority of people can't afford to buy them regardless of their range or potential saving on fuel.
Currently prices are still high because most manufacturers are addressing range by adding larger batteries. They have been able to do that because the price of batteries has been dropping year over year. As the battery costs continue to get lower, the auto manufacturers will be able to start bringing out models with a lower initial cost.
Prior to this, the market for EVs has been small so the manufacturers have had to focus on higher margin, premium vehicles. As the market expands, the increase in volume will let them bring out models in the more affordable price points.
At least in a regular market; the used market right now is one where Teslas appreciate in value, since buying a new one is likely to be 1-2 years out[0]. Deliveries will likely be normalized for 3/Y within the next year as Gigafactory Texas comes online.
0: https://electrek.co/2021/10/22/tesla-hikes-model-3-model-y-p...
I'm still not sure how this is going to shake out in the secondhand market. I have a feeling the cost of replacing a battery is going to put a floor on the price of EV's.
Leaf fares worse (~4% per year), but it only has air-cooled battery. Tesla and other modern EVs have active battery management system that heats and cools the battery to keep it in the right temperature range.
Replacement is costly, unfortunately. It's the most expensive component of an electric car.
Hyundai's E-GMP platform that EV6 is built on uses 800V and supports charging at 230kW. They advertise 18 minutes to go from 10% to 80%.
It’s hard to justify adding like five hours to our trip. Just have to take the old Prius.
Edit: Or maybe you did not buy the long range model, in which case you are forced to charge up into the top of the range, where charging is slowest. Yeah that’s bad.
I assure you, I know how to charge properly haha. 2021 SR+ Model 3 and 12 hour drive turns into 17 hours when I did the trip planning for our last vacation using the Tesla trip planner. Believe me, I wanted it to work out.
Play with a better route planner and you can almost certainly do a lot better than Teslas basic plan.
Previous were ICE cars retrofitted to support hybrid and electric-only versions. The electric-only versions still have the transmission tunnel and other leftovers from their heritage.