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Maybe some of them are mandatory for a child after birth (though I question it because anyway doctors should get parent's signature to do it). But how could you force an adult who is totally ok with lockdown? Cut all access to basic necessities? Make police involved? How?

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For example, for childhood vaccines, France does it by a hefty fine (up to 30.000 Euros) and up to two years in prison if you avoid vaccinating your children.

Maybe the same can be done for adults as well? We will see how they will attempt to enforce it.

https://www.france24.com/en/20141009-french-parents-face-jai...

>though I question it because anyway doctors should get parent's signature to do it

In my European country we got tuberculosis and hepatitis jabs in high school. There wasn't any permission or signature involved, we were just taken the whole class to the nurse's office, got the jab and that's it.

No one is going to be given the vaccine by force. Like you said, as an adult you can choose not to have it, you will just lose access to a lot of things, just like an unvaccinated child isn't accepted into kindergarden. If you don't want to have it then fine, stay locked up at home forever, that's your choice.

Plus pay a fine and maybe do some jail time (probably in solitary as nobody wants to risk contagion in either direction). But all in freedom of course! Okay irony aside, I'm definitely uncomfortable with mandatory vaccines, and I'm also uncomfortable with the amount of sheer stupidity shown by most of antivaccine movement (notable exceptions of course). But when it comes to vote, one has to choose an answer and that answer is only yes/no...

What I am really concerned about is the social divide on the topic. I've seen close friends arguing fiercely about the topic of vaccination and not talking to each other after that.

I can understand that, as it's debating the very basic tenets of society - shall we stick together for the power of the masses (and vaccinate) or we are on our own (buy a gun and live in a remote cottage)? While I can understand the attractiveness of being on my own, I tend to stick with the community option.

>No one is going to be given the vaccine by force

Yet.

Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous". And yet later on it has become somewhat accepted and even desired. If it saves lives and reduces harm perhaps people will also support force being used? There is no limit anymore, seems to me. Any means necessary seems to be supported by the majority of the world's populations.

All we can say with certainty is "well, not yet".

>>Remember that people said over a year ago that "no one will be denied access to facilities without a vaccine passport, that's ridiculous".

I definitely didn't say that, I was very firmly in the group that thinks people should absolutely be denied access to things without the vaccine passport.

Again, just like I'm fully in support of kindergardens not accepting kids that haven't been vaccinated - it's just not ok.

At the same time I don't want force to be used against anyone, denying access is enough.

Its not right to deny rights to people who already have immunity.

Sure, and some countries recognize that too - a covid passport means either being vaccinated or having immunity. Both should be an option.

You'll pay a hefty fine if you don't get vaccinated (and that fine will eventually be enforced).

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