Take one look at the modern production process for vegetable oil and this sort of effect is starting you right in the face.
Palm, Canola, Rapeseed, Soybean, etc, they're all terrible. I avoid this shit like the plague.
Palm, Canola, Rapeseed, Soybean, etc, they're all terrible. I avoid this shit like the plague.
Mind elaborating? Without specific details it reeks of the naturalistic fallacy or the "good old days".
Mouse experiments showed weight gain and memory loss/alzheimers [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17373-3]
While mice are not humans, American obesity has grown since the use of seed oils has grown.
Seed oil advocates themselves appeal to "the good ol days", as many peoples have allegedly used rape seed oil over history.
What gave you the indication I was appealing to modernity? Being against naturalistic fallacy or the "good old days" doesn't mean I'm arguing "well it's new so it must be better!". I'm simply saying that we shouldn't give either side preference just because it's new or old.
>Consider that for years the "new" advice was to recommend aspirin to prevent heart attacks. [https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000678] If you ignored this advice some smarmy pill pusher would say you're appealing to nature. What about non-addictive painkillers like oxycotton.
This seems like a massive strawman/misrepresentation. People weren't taking/recommending asprin because it was new, they were taking it because it's what the clinical evidence was suggesting. Some reasonable objections might be that the studies were poorly done, or wasn't replicable, but "it's not natural" isn't one of them. Just because "it wasn't natural" produced the right result, doesn't really mean we should endorse it, or continue using it. After all, even a broken clock is right twice a day. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justification_(epistemology)
>Exposure to glyphosate-based herbicides and risk for non-Hodgkin lymphoma: A meta-analysis and supporting evidence" [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13835...].
>Mouse experiments showed weight gain and memory loss/alzheimers [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17373-3]
Early studies showed that aspirin was beneficial for preventing heart attacks. You seemed to suggest that was bad. However, trusting one study saying that glyphosate causes cancer is okay? The wikipedia article for glyposate describes the overall evidence for glyposate causing cancer as "inconclusive". The IARC also said there was "limited evidence" for the type of cancer you described. If you want to make the case that appeal to nature is good, you really should have used something less contentious.
>Then the oil is bleached for a more palatable color.
Well is that bad? If they're literally dumping household bleach into the oil, I might be a little worried. Then again, they also put bleach (chlorine) into tap water, so should we be worried about that too?
> It refined like other industrials oils and often interchangeable for machining uses.
We also put nuclear plant coolant (dihydrogen monoxide) into our foods. Should we be worried about that as well?
>Seed oil advocates themselves appeal to "the good ol days", as many peoples have allegedly used rape seed oil over history.
Right, and that's bad regardless of which side it's on.
This is not a fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect
Ray Peat has been warning about seed oils for decades, I'm not sure if its bullet-proof but at least its interesting: https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/unsaturated-oils.shtml
Most vegetable oils like canola and soybean have much less palmitic acid.
The same thing happens to flour. We process the living shit out of it, then bleach it, then we have to add-in all the stuff we removed so that it still has some semblance of nutrition.
It's like the deep fried pickle. A pickle in and of itself is a pickle, but when you deep fry it, is it still a pickle? Some will argue yes. Does it still have the same general health characteristics, or more importantly, the lack of negative characteristics as the deep-fried one? No.
I know I'm still consuming it when I eat in a restaurant. Best you can currently do is just not buy it for home use.
Heard it too causes cancer if you fry it though...
Frying at low temperatures with olive oil is one of the "healthier" ways to fry, though. Less volatile aromatic hydrocarbons are produced when frying with olive oil compared to other fats, and some of the compounds in non-extra virgin olive oil reduce the production of free radicals.
This is also sometimes the topic in those subreddits: https://www.reddit.com/r/StopEatingSeedOils/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SaturatedFat/