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Cloud Foundry Adds PHP and Python

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30 pointstaylorbuley16 comments

This blog post is surprisingly lacking in details. Here's some info I dug up on the Python/PHP support:

http://support.cloudfoundry.com/entries/20382447-python-supp...

http://support.cloudfoundry.com/entries/20386327-php-support...

Personally I'd like to see one of these PaaSs support Tornado. I think DotCloud has been promising it for a while...

The nice thing about Open Source PaaS is that you can scratch your own itches, add a Tornado pull request and pretty soon it could be running on AppFog.com or CloudFoundry.com

Good news! You can now scratch your own itch on dotCloud.

We've added support for custom builds, which means you can run Tornado, Thin and any other asynchronous web server you want.

We're planning a blog post about it the coming days.

Except if you scratch your itch on dotCloud, you can't run it on your own laptop like you can with Cloud Foundry Micro or on other services that might have a better interface like AppFog. That's the problem with contributing to a closed source project.

Lucas, I think you're being unfair to the dotCloud community. If I scratch my itch on dotCloud and share a cool Wordpress [1] or Thin [2] stack, how is that not open?

[1] https://github.com/qpleple/wordpress-on-dotcloud [2] https://github.com/jpetazzo/thin

At the same time you mention in your blog: "Appfog has secret sauce that we did not contribute to the open source project, ways to optimize PHP and the experience around PHP".

For the sake of openness, I encourage you to share your secret PHP sauce as a custom dotCloud build. There's a whole community of hackers doing the same.

It is not open because it is not portable. You can't take wordpress-on-dotcloud and deploy it on any other architecture or platform outside of dotCloud.

ActiveState's Stackato already has Tornado support (we have a demo of Tornado Chat with MongoDB), amongst other features that are not yet in Cloud Foundry (Perl, run and db migration, ...). More about those at http://www.activestate.com/blog/2011/08/python-cloud-foundry....

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I'm a little fuzzy on the exact story of cloudfoundry.

It may just be lack of business level pricing, but I find the options they present confusing, not illuminating.

I have clients who are scared off of possible lock in with stuff like GAE, but would love something that seems quite close to a cloud foundry based backend, I'm just not 100% on what they do provide, and how they make their money.

That is where AppFog steps in and makes things clear - http://blog.phpfog.com/2011/08/25/appfog-reveals-cloud-found...

I understand what AppFog does. I don't understand what cloud foundry does. Are they the same people?

I get what the tech does. I don't get what the support, reliability, chance to be in here 5 years, etc stories are.

Oh that's it: I just finally figured out that this is a VMWare owned project, not a startup. Duh

Yes it is, and we aren't going away any time soon. :) We'll more than be here in five years.

It's not very transparent that's where the money comes from. It's featured on your web page, but took me awhile to understand this was a way for you to sell more virtualization projects to people.

Here is the PHP pull request: https://github.com/cloudfoundry/vcap/pull/105

And the Python pull request: https://github.com/cloudfoundry/vcap/pull/57

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