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My stock Ubuntu LTS desktop crashes all the time, about 3x a week. Still can't figure out why.

I love linux, have used 4 different distros as my daily driver for the last 15-20 years or so. Yet still my linux-using friends and I have this joke: 'but will it hibernate?'

And to answer your question directly:

> Why are people using obviously extremely broken stuff

a) it's not obvious and b) it's not extreme. Apple products work smoothly for most people most of the time. We're on hacker news where the entire point of this forum is the selection bias around tech stories like this.

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Have you considered a hardware defect? Even Ubuntu doesn't crash the whole time. Also you see usually at least some obvious reason in the logs if it's software related.

Regarding the "extremely broken stuff": I came here from another thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29229881

I couldn't help to post the above after also seeing what's described here. (Given all the down-votes maybe not the smartest idea, but I honestly couldn't help :-)).

The problems are in my opinion indeed extreme and by now the mess gets undeniable even to die-hard fans.

What makes me really scratch my head is why otherwise reasonable people don't vote with their wallet and still buy this things (even at a premium!).

> What makes me really scratch my head is why otherwise reasonable people don't vote with their wallet and still buy this things

This shouldn't make you scratch your head though... other people value different things than you do, and each person has their own personalized formula for whether a Mac is worth it or not. still_grokking's value judgement is not canonical for anyone other than still_grokking.

> but will it hibernate

I can't be the only user who just doesn't care about hibernate.

I definitely understand why other people want it, but I find suspend and hibernate almost disorienting.

I don't want to continue a session where I left off. I'd start it back up, forget what I was doing anyway, and then I'd likely close all the programs and start over, realizing how amusing the effort I'd just gone through was.

I'm willing to admit it might be a personal problem.

I don't care about hibernate either. It's impracticable with the current amounts of RAM anyway.

But I couldn't live without suspend!

I hardly shutdown my boxes. Not because I like "impressive" output form uptime, I don't care, but as I don't like to reopen things.

There is by now even enough RAM around that you don't have to close almost anything if you don't like.

Also wake up from suspend is not more than a second. That's much faster to get into a workable state compared to the 20 seconds to boot an average box and than even waiting longer until all applications started up.

The only reasons for shutdowns are imho kernel updates or when you need to lock the computer. (You should not trust Linux screensavers, they had obscure bugs in the past, even things got better on Wayland. Also FDE encryption keys remain in RAM throughout suspend usually).

:D I don't actually care about hibernate. But after it came out on Windows and worked well enough, and Linux started introducing it, it became a meme to laugh at how bad linux suspend/hibernate is

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