Campagnolo's revolutionary new gearing system from 1946
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In my teen-age years in 198x USSR i, like pretty much everybody there back then, had a fixie because "sport" bicycle with gears cost double (64 vs. 130 rubles with engineer salary being 200), and i envied the lucky few "sport" owners especially when i had to cycle my fixie uphill :). Now living in US I was really surprised how fixies became the trend as supposedly being superior to the gears.
There is no one bike that will excel in all conditions. If you live somewhere relatively flat then trading off the flexibility for the reliability, low cost and light weight of a dérailleur free gearing system might be worth it.
Same goes for hub gears. You trade heavier weight and efficiency for not having the gear box exposed.
Personally I like the rang of a compact crank and a double up front when on tarmac or gravel and a 1x when on single track but that's just me.
There are a lot of cliches people use to describe it, but you just kind of have to experience it to get it.
That it even needs to be pointed out that operating any vehicle without brakes is unsuitable for traffic is a bit strange to me, but there you go.
I tried using a clamp on brake with it so I could ride it on the road, but I didn't feel comfortable since I don't think the fork was really designed for those forces, so it's now a track-use bike only.
Weren't chain propelled systems a thing in other machines back then and a chain tensioner a known solution? Or were they just not suitable for a bike back then for some reason? Does anybody know something about this?
It also mentions the rider having to pedal backwards to shift the chain among the sprockets. That would not be possible on a fixed hub without slowing to a stop and reversing. One suspects that would rather negate any benefits of this system over a flip-flop wheel.
Video showing it in action (skip to the middle): https://youtu.be/MQe0fLEQ2jY
And let's be honest: it's entirely possible that the author has never changed a cassette or freewheel or seen a freewheel if they have. I'm almost 40, and I've only ever seen freewheels on pretty old 10 and 12 speeds (that's 2x5 and 2x6. Not a modern 1x drivetrain). And only because I volunteered at a place that fixes up bikes.
Freewheels were in use in the tour since 1936 at least, and possibly even earlier:
They're part of what we might call the divide between "cycling" and "riding a bicycle." The cycling hobby is mostly about go-fast or go-far for its own sake, but in much of the world a bicycle is just transportation. In those places, you trade away efficiency or speed or weight in favor of the "it just works forever" bulletproof-ness that the enclosed hub provides.
My road bike has SRAM eTap on it. It's beautiful, sleek, and shifts perfectly almost every time. BUT that performance starts to suffer if I let the drive train get dirty, especially if I let gunk accumulate on the jockey wheels.
Your Sturmey can be ridden without such concerns. I mean, I'd never be able to keep up on my group rides on it, but for a general use bicycle it's probably superior.
(The latter is such a severe design error that I think no one should purchase the Bosch+Rohloff system until or unless it gets fixed. Use something else. An ebike is not a car, and it should be operable as a rider-powered bicycle even in the event of an electrical fault.)
I was wondering for a while about the purpose of the teeth on the axle/dropout, because clearly with bearings between cogs and axle there's no way to force the wheel forwards pulling on the chain (you force the wheel backwards for higher tension by applying a little braking force), but the teeth on the axle are what makes the movement in the dropout symmetric, so your wheel will remain aligned to the frame center line. Really clever!
Ah, the "640k ought to be enough for anybody" of the bicycling world. These days you can get 13 speed on the back derailleur alone -- not even taking into account the front derailleur.
> this is to be enjoyed and imagined, not taken for fact. Read with a speedy wartime radio advert voice.
It's not that hard to avoid shifting under heavy load (higher-end IGHs shift fine under some load). And on a commuter bike, being able to shift gears at a standstill is great.
Edit: you completely changed the content of your message and my reply doesn't make a lot of sense now.
Efficiency sucks for the continuous variable kind, like the Enviolo and other variations on that theme.
Apparently the Pinion and Rohloff fare better: https://bikeshed.johnhoogstrate.nl/bicycle/drivetrain/shiman...
Complexity is a weird thing. For the vast majority of owners the most you'll need to do is change the oil every 10k kilometers, but for the unlucky ones that do need it serviced, that requires shipping your hub across the world.
I'm hoping that their growing popularity improves the technology and makes them cheaper. I tour bikes as a hobby and make pretty okay money, but I still can't justify the price point of a Rohloff system.
On most bikes I don't really see the point.
Either you want the convenience of an internal gear hub and you have plenty of options that offer a pretty wide range. For instance the Nexus/Alfine 8 feels plenty enough for a commuter bike even if you live in a hilly place. If you're rich you can go with an Alfine 11, Rohloff, or Pinion.
Or you don't want the weight/cost/inefficiency, nowadays you can get affordable and reliable 1x10 or 1x11 groupsets. And of course on a proper road bike you'll still want a double chainring.
> And of course on a proper road bike you'll still want a double chainring.
why? the IGH replaces the front double chainring. weight and price might be a bit higher but it's probably more robust, less maintenance and you can shift under full load.
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/07/this-rear-hub-has-2x-wireles...
Still, I'll believe it when I see it at amateur cycling clubs. At pro-level I don't think anyone would take the performance hit (even though they claim it's compensated) just to avoid having a front derailleur.
For gravel, cyclocross or even casual road biking, if a double chainring really bothers you, then 1x12 groupsets exist.
Edit: https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-backroad-classified-2x11-2696...
Nice bike but the price bump compared to the other electric-shifting models is pretty steep!
Instead, they have a crazy custom thing that runs the chain through a little pivoting fork that shifts the chain left and right on the two speed freewhatever[0]. The six speed adds the three speed internally geared hub. You can also get one or the other alone.
I believe they developed that combination when the supply of 5 speed hubs that fit their highly non-standard read hub spacing dried up.
I have a two speed Brompton and love it, but their engineers are next-level crazy in the best possible way.
[0] I wouldn't even care to guess. Everything they do is insane.
Modern idlers are quite efficient, but back then the materials science that allowed both a light weight idler wheel yet strong enough and friction free to be 'in play' all the time wasn't really there yet, derailleur itself had been invented decades ago. But that didn't take all that long though, a few years later technology had caught up.
See:
https://www.velonews.com/gear/road-gear/how-tour-de-france-e...
Which I think is a much better article on the subject.
https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/who_invented_the_derail...
Proud owner of a Campagnolo groupset on a custom made bicycle, wanted it for heritage reasons.
For anyone unfamiliar the reason they're popular with messengers and such is in urban traffic it becomes very smooth and simple to keep pace with the cars surrounding you. And some people just ride them because they like doing the skid stop or bar spins or such. These days messengers favor hot rod e-bikes though because they're just dramatically faster and that directly corresponds to more income.
- More pedestrians are killed by motor vehicle than bikes in London BY FAR
- More cyclists are killed by motor vehicles than bikes in London BY FAR
- More motorists are killed by motor vehicles than bikes in London BY FAR
It was incredibly depressing to watch people spend so much attention on one (pretty rare!) case rather the real sources of road danger in the city.
the large bike manufacturer sponsors of the pro teams of course want their team to ride the equipment that they're selling to consumers as the current and next model year. or at least something that very closely resembles it and sells for $2500+ at retail. look at how many trek carbon fiber madones were sold to enthusiastic amateurs during the peak armstrong years.
Exactly, and the minimum weight limitation comes from :-)
But these obviously only work on single speeds or enclosed-gear hubs. For derailleur-style gearing a change away from chains with the properties you described would actually really be a good thing, although I do not see it coming. With regards to power loss, chains get better and better, though.
I don't mean to suggest this tradeoff isn't worthwhile to people who want clean, low-maintenance bicycle drivetrains for working or commuting, but the extra cost of manufacturing makes it harder to persuade cost-conscious consumers.
- [1] https://www.veercycle.com/products/split-belt-pro
Edit: As pointed out in another comment, the fixed size of a belt remains though, unlike with a chain.
I see them as the drivetrain equivalent of disc brakes -- sure, rim brakes are still around. But the tradeoffs are so worthwhile that you effectively can't buy a high-end bike with rim brakes any more (disclaimer: I know that certain touring bikes come with cantis by default, but they're rarer and rarer each year).
The only difference I see is that internal shifter hubs can cost 5-10% efficiency compared to derailleurs. In the commuting and touring communities, that's no big deal -- it's comparable to dynamo loss, which is considered a totally acceptable tradeoff for always-on lights in those communities.
But in the racing community, chains will probably stick around for a long time, at least until internal hubs lose that efficiency loss. There's just too much to lose in that 5-10% for racers, even if it's totally worth it for me.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ceramicspeed-driven-opens-u...
I've thought about how to make a modern practical chain case.
Granted, we have access to better materials today, but the cost/complexity cannot compete with the weight, simplicity, and rapid repairability of chain+derailleurs.
IMO this is a big industry for mainly because cheap bicycles are available at large scale.
You can buy one at any shopping mall for a very low price, and a lot of users will prefer cheap vs durable/fast/light/advanced/fancy. As a sign of this, a ton of bicycles have very crappy brakes, little to no gear management, dynamo lights that have abysmal efficiency in exchange for no battery management.
This part of the market will only be disrupted by cheaper technology, and I'm not sure it will happen anytime soon.
Enthusiast market is more open to disruption and accept better designs, though a significant slice of it does maintenance themselves and it's tougher to sell them complex and/or hard to handle parts for only marginal effects (we see that in the tubeless vs classic tires for instance)
He used his bike training to smuggle secret documents for the Italian Resistance and was awarded Righteous Among the Nations for helping Jews escape the Nazis.
Like many he stayed quite about his wartime exploits and was only recognised for them after his death.
A quite remarkable man.
"The good is done, but it is not said. And certain medals hang on the soul, not on the jacket".
My fun fact about Taylor is this: In November 1898 he set a world record 1/4 mile time at 22.2s averaging 40.5 mph. The earliest land speed record by a car that I could find (on wikipedia so I'm not that thorough) was set by an electric car(!) on Dec 18 1898 at 39.245 mph. So he threw down a gauntlet and a month later cars failed to pick it up. A hero in the war on cars.
Yeah, that was a painful day when you considered yourself a Coppist ;) "damn, turns out the other guy was even more awesome!"
When you look at riders like Bartali, Coppi or Monsieur Jacques the only thing I can conclude is that these guys led more “interesting” lives back then.
When changing gears, it doesn't feel like there is much risk of the wheel slipping forward out of the dropouts. The dropouts themselves are angled up and back, which helps prevent that. Also, when changing gears you are sitting back, putting weight on the seat and changing the weight distribution of the bike to favor the rear. This also counteracts the tendency of the wheel to come forward. The action of the chain only pulls the axle forward in the dropouts when shifting to a lower gear (higher tooth count cog on the freewheel, closer to the wheel spokes). There isn't much risk of "overshifting" the chain to a point where it will pull the axle out of the dropouts, simply because the chain would just contact the spokes or a spoke protector and slide back down into gear (unless something is really broken).
Also, you can see from the photos in the article how differently the dimensions of racing bicycle frames were fitted to riders back then. Modern racing bikes tend to have a lot of seatpost extension and longer handlebar stems, which shift the rider's weight forward on the bike. A simplified explanation is that this improves aerodynamics and certain handling characteristics, at the cost of requiring the rider have better core strength and flexibility. In contrast, the photos in the article show typical mid-20th century bicycle fit, with much less seatpost extension and shorter stems. Compared to modern racers, Coppi and Bartali sit father back, with their butt closer to the top tube. This puts the Cambio Corsa system in closer reach and the weight distribution has a more stable, rearward bias. The action of reaching back to change gears would feel treacherous and destabilizing on a modern racing bike, but would be a bit more comfortable on the bikes of the time.
This is all said with the big caveat that I have never ridden my Cambio Corsa bike in a long distance or competitive scenario. Undoubtedly it's still a challenging system to master. I can imagine the extreme difficulty of operating it on the unpaved, bumpy climbs typical of that era.
Edit: Here is a link to scans of the original patent drawings for the Cambio Corsa. It shows the mechanical details- click on the "Pages" tab to see all the scanned pages of the patent.
https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/french_patent_899402_-_...
Yaw rotates the front derailleur cage slightly as you shift rings. This keeps the cage inline with the chainline and makes for a quiet FD with no trimming necessary.
It's supposed to be Force 22 specific but I have SRAM SL700 2x10 and Shimano 105 10s cranks on that bike. I installed it but then had my LBS adjust it.
It is the first FD I've ever had that I like.
An interestingly early example of a dangerous “dark UI”.