Metallurgist admits faking steel test results for US Navy subs
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It's just I'm surprised how the institutional incentives worked out: there are many places where the fraud could have been covered up. If the Navy levied a debilitating fine on the company for good faith reporting of issues, it'd create incentives for the company to lie. And the fine was $10M... is that lower than might have been done if not for the good faith reporting?
US Navy should take the step further; terminate the contract and blacklist the company permanently (include the board of directors to ensure no hopping between companies to take advantage). Blacklist should be shared with federal agencies. This would be more effective for the company not to fuck around with it and cut off that "it is business as usual" mentality. The benefits of this is accountability.
It's not unheard of in manufacturing for random parts to be selected for testing to ensure compliance. In fact, I'd be surprise if this supplier could get away with the same fraud with GM or Ford. One of the side effects of having suppliers design just barely adequate parts is the need to rigorously test that those parts cut only the maximally necessary corners, and not one more.
ETA: in some ways, the Navy might have reasons to prefer this contractor in the future, because the issue seems to have been caused by a lazy rogue employee and the company seems to have strong enough ethical/internal standards that the Navy can reasonably expect issues to be brought to their attention.
My response might be harsh but tough shit for the company. If the company made a choice to fraud the government, then they should be accountable for their decision. The board of directors is fully responsible for every action of their company including their employees actions as the employee are in capacity and representative of the company. If the employee went rogue/lazy then it is the company due diligence to ensure that every data is verified and correct as the company is still responsible for everything.
They simply can fire the employee and could keep fudging the data. Whelps the company did it again, gee whiz. They can fire the another employee and say it is all good. This mentality is why companies are pushing the boundaries with the governments and still can blame on their employee and get away from the accountability.
That level of accountability is very expensive however - you might find yourself wishing for the good old days when government toilet seats only cost $600.
Are we talking about the same individual? The one named in the article is "Director of Metallurgy". When you're in a position like that, you represent the company, especially for work orders.
Here, Bradken acquired a foundry that had been faking test results for decades before; eventually discovered it, and reported it to the Navy once they did. Giving Bradken the death penalty out of this seems absurd.
(Not all of Bradken's actions post-discovery were perfect, and it did take them several years post-acquisition before they detected the ongoing fraud-- so there was definitely a failure here, but...).
disproportionately severe penalties will have the opposite effect in future cases- as people will do more to hide faults than reporting them.
Had they not told the navy in good faith once they knew about the issue, the execs at the company would be facing jailtime just like the employee.
But, yeah, of course there's a incentive and risk landscape that executives considered when choosing whether to report or not. I'm curious about that process and also the process by which the Navy determined the fine amount. Did they take into consideration how it'd affect the company's books and levy a fine that'd amount to a slap on the wrist?
No doubt the metallurgist was grossly irresponsible here, but I do wonder whether they might be making a song and dance about this one aspect to distract from a whole chain of careless practice.
How... What? What was it motivated by, if not to still be able to sell material that didn't live up to the requirements of the purchaser? Why would you sell something you know is not what you say it is, if you're not motivated by selling just that thing?
I'd be curious to know what that requirement is for too, though I'd likely not just ignore it.
The former might cost a customer money; the latter puts lives at risk.
Maybe. There are certainly past cases of the military creating unreasonable/unhelpful specifications.
Edit: Not justification for what she did. Just curiosity, having spent a fair amount of time in the military.
Many of these large scale engineering specs are "take the worst possible situation you can ever think of and design it so that it can survive 1.3x of that". Yes it sounds stupid to the layman, but this is how you make shit that survives everything you toss at it.
Ignoring "dumb specifications" is the reason why SpaceX lost a payload. They used non aeronautical grade metal, which did not conform to the requirements for spaceflight, causing a mission failure.
https://www.wavy.com/news/military/navy/metallurgist-faked-s...
To take an ergonomically silly exampke shovel handle could be a three inch diameter of solid steel that can take five metric tons per square centimeter as pressure without bending. If it wears out enough that it could snap by human body weight it would have to be worn quite a bit.
I remember one spool of cabling in particular - it was beautiful stuff, highly flexible, high current carrying, just what we needed. It stayed awesome right to the bottom of the milspec temperature range, at which point the exterior sheathing went through some kind of phase transition and froze solid, followed by the interior insulation having a different coefficient of thermal expansion than the exterior sheathing resulting in the whole thing shattering itself into pieces just a few degrees below military operating temperatures.
More info:
https://www.punchlistzero.com/dbtt-ductile-brittle-transitio...
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2018/12/21/why-cold-steel-is-bri...
Basically, some part of the sub needs to be strong enough to reliably break ice at sub-zero temps. The rest needs to maintain its strength at those temps.
The YouTube channel Smarter Every Day recently had a video series on a nuclear submarine under the arctic ice.
>Metallurgical and mechanical analyses were performed on steel and rivet samples recovered from the wreck of the RMS Titanic. It was found that the steel possessed a ductile-to-brittle transition temperature that was very high with respect to the service temperature, making the material brittle at ice-water temperatures. This has been attributed to both chemical and microstructural factors. It has also been found that the wrought iron rivets used in the construction of Titanic contained an elevated amount of incorporated slag, and that the orientation of the slag within the rivets may hold an explanation for how the ship accumulated damage during its encounter with the iceberg.
Source: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GOVPUB-C13-17a17f71ae2f9...
My knowledge of shipbuilding is limited but I believe the navy suffered quite a bit during WW2 from certain steels undergoing a transition in the low temperatures of the north atlantic that caused brittle fracture. I would imagine testing at ultra low temperatures accelerates the rate at which such brittle fractures can be detected.
I come from the pressure vessel industry where impact testing is routinely required at temperatures below -20°F, sometimes at -320 °F for cryogenic applications.
Fracture mechanics and low temperature behavior of steels is a relatively "new" field in engineering, only emerging sometime in the last 80 years, so I can see why the metallurgist may not have known too much about it. Widespread study was kicked off in the US with the Liberty ship disasters:
https://metallurgyandmaterials.wordpress.com/2015/12/25/libe...
If you want to know more about stuff like that, ask away; it was far and away the most interesting part of my mechanical engineering education and career before I switched over to tech :)
The metallurgist just wanted to save some $$$ by selling rejected/out-of-specs products.
Even in the brutally suspicious automotive industry, it's common to have an operator manually copy the chamber temperature or thermocouple reading to the test report. Especially if you believed that the test requirement was excessive, there would certainly be a temptation to lie and say that the temperature had reached the target.
I wonder how the lie got discovered. Did her successor notice that they were less productive than she had been, because the chamber was slower than what she claimed it could do? Was the chamber incapable of reaching the target temperatures? Did the measured test results come out different?
https://www.wavy.com/news/military/navy/metallurgist-faked-s...
I would imagine a higher up got very angry every time a batch failed.
After awhile you learn to just keep your head down. Many people don’t feel safe enough to push back. Or they stop questioning after awhile.
Maybe someone was failing batches, and they kept getting replaced until the batches “improved”
At any rate. This is what audits are for.
Did this person never take a vacation, where someone else would come in and see issues? Banks force people to take a month off to force they issued out in the open
I was a wire puller in a factory that refurbished subway cars. High voltage cables cannot have any breaks in insulation because they're carrying a huge amount of power and you could get shorts and fires.
Our supplier frequently shipped damaged cables. Our manager tried working with them to change their packing and shipping method to prevent this, but it still kept happening and it would cause serious delays on the line.
Our manager was under serious pressure from the top staff to straighten this out and would get livid if a new batch of cables came in damaged, often blaming us for improper handling.
Eventually employees learned to "fix" cables coming in with heat shrink and electrical tape to keep manager happy. This was dangerous and when eventually discovered by quality assurance it became a big issue. Manager was moved somewhere else.
> After awhile you learn to just keep your head down. Many people don’t feel safe enough to push back. Or they stop questioning after awhile.
Worked at a foundry where a metal lab tech was caught fudging the numbers for this exact reason.
The floor manager would get angry at the tech for telling him the "wrong" mix of alloying elements to put in the melt after the main charge was molten.
In reality, the manager should have been mad at the suppliers sending him shoddy alloying elements of wildly varying quality. Or he should have been mad at the metallurgist for not putting in the correct info w.r.t. the quality of the alloying elements.
I can also say that there are a range of engineering specs, and some are absolutely critical and some are just specified out of habit. It IS our job to communicate with the customer (whether DOD or prime contractor) and determine which is which, and charge appropriately.
I.e., if there is some spec that will cost a lot to build into the component and there is a more efficient or cost-effective way to get sufficiently similar results, then we should (and do) propose that change, and if they say "OK", get it in writing, and if they say "nope, we really need that feature as spec'd", then charge properly for it and make damn sure it is done and documented. Plus, get all the exchanges in writing, it doesn't always have to be formal proposals & change orders, often just email is fine.
I'd say that the vast majority of the time when something creates a production problem, or some subcomponent, coating, etc. is unavailable (like one time a handful of component X was now out of production and the new minimum order quantity was like 20K parts, so a line item that should have been maybe $50 would now be $25K+), a quick discussion will usually resolve issue, such as "yes, it's ok to increase the radius there", "yes that other component/coating is an acceptable substitute" or "what do you recommend as a substitute?". But there are those times where the answer is "we really need it with those crazy tolerances to mate to this other component".
So, yes, unless you have some direct evidence of the CYA behavior you describe, I'd strongly recommend against treating it as you suggest.
On that indefinite user list, but without knowing for sure the purpose of the checks, I'd strongly avoid putting my name on that document. Are we just checking that the approximate totals seem to match the org size, or are we after specific checks for hostile fake or obsolete accounts? I sure don't want my sig on the document stating that I made checks X, Y, & Z for fake/obsolete accts when I hadn't, and we get hacked next week.
I.e., if it is 'just bureaucracy' and they don't actually care about the result, then likely someone is trying to get your neck in the noose when the sht hits the proverbial fan.
That's why they want to get your sig on documents, get "Certificates of Compliance", etc.
And yes, that part is largely BS, until the sht hits the fan. What counts here is indeed ensuring that the subset of specs that the one-level-up contractor really cares about are truly met, and sorting out (in writing) what you can relax about because it was just cut/paste or generic/SOP specs on that particular feature.
It is an absolute cf because the current system is a bowl of manually verified spreadsheet spaghetti that exists mostly in two guys' heads. We are currently discovering that no one knows how many servers don't actually have recovery backups ready because the buck has been passed so often and so many people have come and gone.
So I totally believe some employee as the single point of buck-passing would absolutely rubber stamp metallurgical tests just to avoid jamming up the system.
I haven't followed the row closely, but I wonder if this isn't a clever story placement by the French: https://www.reuters.com/business/cop/french-ambassador-accus...
of course - because the british press are famous for being sympathetic to the french /s
the daily mail picked it up as well - and if the comment section are to be believed this is clearly the fault of biden and 'Cackling Kamala' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10182839/Metallurgi...
Imagine if the doctor in the prison this woman is going to decides it is "stupid" to give her decent medical care.
I don't see that as extraordinary (with literally ZERO knowledge of subs or arctic conditions). According to wikipedia, the lowest recorded temperature is -90.4°F / -68°C.
It seems reasonable for something being built to last generations in hostile conditions to want to be a little better than our recorded 'worst case', right?
According to which part exactly? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest_temperature_recorded_...
Regardless I doubt the test specifications came from a Wikipedia search for "coldest weather" rather than some sort of stress event with desired error bars so refuting it with such a search seems foolish, not the test.
They write the history and it is your word against theirs.
This is an industry where insurance fraud is business as usual. They are excellent liars.
If you're assuming inputs to that equation that dont exist it has implications beyond just "how does that steel perform cold"; it means that you might actually have a quite different curve but won't know it because your data was bad to begin with.
Of course we hackers know how to avoid such obvious and silly mistakes; and make things like Zillow's home buying algorithms work perfectly...
Also, there are lives ate stake--not just reputations.
I am curious if this is a mitigation for repeated stress cycles or an analogue of metallurgical properties in deep ocean water.
> Deep ocean water has a very uniform temperature, around 0-3 °C
So maybe they are worried about sitting on the surface of the Arctic in the dead of winter for an extended period of time and then crash diving?
It literally doesn't matter. You've been hired to do a job, or contracted to do a job. You decide on the front end whether it is a job you can perform or not. Not once the contract is signed.
Or, you use official channels to express your disagreement with the requirement and up the price by whatever it needs to be upped by.
You don't make arbitrary changes to expectations based on your gut feeling without telling anyone. That's called fraud at worst, and just plain dumb at best.
The reason this person may have thought the -70C test eqs stupid is because a sub will never be working in conditions much colder than the freezing temperature of water (which is not strongly pressure dependent, btw), since the water would want to freeze - not good for the boat.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest_temperature_recorded_on...
At the same time, we don't know her qualifications other than that she is a 'metallurgist'. We do know that the Navy assessed no impact in the end. Maybe she used her knowledge of metallurgy to determine that the 'stupid' requirement was not needed, and maybe she was right. But she obviously handled it the wrong way.
BUT That isn't always the case because of deadlines and and some parts or the entire project never move past lab spec and retain insane tolerances. So yes, sometimes tests are "stupid" but that doesn't mean you ignore them and lie because of "feelings".
In the case presented here I think the accused wasn't very forward thinking. She only thought of the sub as a purely water born ship but fact is they operate both at and below the surface. They also need to operate near the earths poles where they might surface for hours exposing the hull to temperatures damn near -100F.
If someone, and particularly a military organization, asks that something be tested according to a certain spec, then you do it. Who's to say the steel was even actually being used for submarines?
Whether it's stupid or not is not her call to make.
I worked as a developer, then architect, at oil and gas tooling companies for several years, and got to know many parts of the business. Something of note here is that they took their supply chain very seriously - some of their equipment will sit subsea for decades, and failures could be catastrophic for the environment as well as in monetary terms, so you can understand why.
For suppliers involved with fabrication or testing (e.g. pressure testing, weld inspections and xrays), our logistics people would routinely physically visit the supplier to audit their records and watch the process with their own eyes.
When confronted with the falsified results, Ms Thomas suggested that in some cases she gave metal positive results because she thought it was "stupid" that the Navy required the tests to be conducted at -100F (-70C),
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Could someone explain to me why the tests would need to be at that temperature as well. I also find it pointless as it is way below the freezing point of water and also most of the coldest parts of the world when surfaced.