Do you think cheating is a big problem in multiplayer games? What % of people playing a given game are using advanced techniques similar to those that you use?
And, lastly, do you think anyone will ever be able to stop you? :)
With the radar hacks I’ve built, I can see (with a high level of accuracy) which other players are aiming at me while not having a line of sight. When I first started hacking in Escape From Tarkov in 2020, I ran into another cheater once. We stared each other down from opposite sides of a hill until we both turned around and left.
I was banned last year and stopped playing EFT for a bit. When I picked back up over the summer I was absolutely floored by how bad the game had become with cheaters. A friend that builds paid cheats had given me access to his platform, so I indulged. My first 3 matches had at least one other cheater in them. There’s a secret handshake now - you wiggle from across the map at the other person so that you can go your separate ways. Some don’t respect the wiggle and try to shoot you from distance. The players not using hacks get decimated.
Witnessing this changed my perspective on cheating. I don’t consider it a technical challenge anymore, now it’s a necessity to play and level up in the game.
As far as bans, it truly is a cat and mouse game. The team I am involved with write hacks full time now. There are full time support people. Full time QA folks. Ban waves are actually great for business because players become addicted to the hacks, and as soon as they’re banned they want back in.
In the case of Tarkov, I’ve noticed that the company that makes the game will wait until known cheaters elapse the chargeback window on their payments, then ban them. They know the cheaters will come back with a new account.
But... You're contributing to that since you're one of the cheaters? Is there some sort of cognitive dissonance at play here?
Everybody knows cars are bad for society and the environment, but you have to drive anyway to go to office.
He said specifically that cheating is "a necessity to play and level up in the game".
Its only 'required' if you do not want to spend time to learn the game, mechanics, where good loot is on the map, how ammo and armor work. Basically sidestepping what makes this game fun and challenging.
Frankly a bit disgusted at his point of view, seems to have no remorse at all. A subset of people paying for hacks does not make it ok for him to hack, and since he can spot hackers now he seems to have justified it to himself.
Wow. Have you considered just getting better, or quitting? This is a very selfish way of thinking. You are playing at everyone else's expense. It's such a huge waste of time when I play against cheaters in games. Sometimes I can still beat them because the players that resort to cheating are not very good. When cheaters aren't around, I have lots of fun.
Are you even having fun when you cheat? Imagine playing soccer and you bribe the judge to let you pick up the ball with your hands whenever you want. All the players stare in disbelief and disdain you, and some leave the game. Everyone boos you. You slowly walk into the goal uncontested. Wow, is that fun? Why do you keep coming back every day to do it? Why are you spending this time getting this referee into other people's games?
I know you probably don't care, but just remember that it's not "just a game". You are stealing the time of lots of people who are just trying to have an evening of fun with their friends after a hard days of work. It is antisocial behavior for your own monetary gain. How can you justify this to yourself?
Fun is making a computer do stuff using your skills which it was not originally mandated to do.
Then there is meta game of playing against other wizards of the world.
However, I dispise pair exploits and unskilled players using paid exploits. That's not magic.
Sure, that's fun if you're playing by yourself or if it is a part of the game. But if you're playing against other people who don't have that advantage, then how is that fun? Is it fun to cut in line ahead of others? Sure, maybe there's a thrill for a moment, but it should quickly become apparent that you're just taking advantage of other people.
If you want to play against the other wizards of the world but hurt innocent bystanders, then it's a very rude game to play.
Plenty of people out there who get several kicks out of doing exactly that. They feel powerful.
It is rude, it is unjust, it is not fair, but it is fun for those who execute their exploits and equally unfun and frustrating for the by-standing players.
It's still anti-social behavior. Does the degraded experience of honest players (i.e. victims) even factor in?
Depends on the game and on how you cheat. A game of true skill is ruined by cheating. Other types of games might not be. Some games deserve to be ruined by cheaters.
I've played games so ludicrously exploitative I don't even consider them games anymore. They were spending competitions. Yes, I was competing with whales to see who could pay the game company the biggest amount of money. I also fell for their little daily login habit forming tricks such as timer-based daily tasks. I was one of the poor bastards waking up at 4 AM to press buttons in a stupid fucking mobile game! It took me months and about a hundred dollars to realize the stupidity of it.
You bet I started cheating at that game. I admit it proudly. I did it out of spite. I wrote a bot to automate it for me. I don't even consider it cheating, to me it was a cure for my addiction. With the boring stuff automated away, the game was no longer punishing me for not logging in. I no longer felt guilty because I was missing out on meaningless virtual tasks. You know the funniest thing? My bot was statistically indistinguishable from a sufficiently addicted player. There's no way they could analyze some data and say "yeah, here's the one outlier". Everyone played like bots because they were all slaves of the timer.
In the end I never published my hack... But yeah, I had fun making it and I seriously hope it frustrated other people into quitting the game too. The less people suckered into these money sinks the better. Maybe if I had published my bot it would have significantly reduced the amount of addicted players out there, reducing their bottom line.
I think 'hacking' is the real game parent is playing, the cat & mouse with the game developer likely gives them more rush than playing fair in the game itself.
Personally as a gamer I would like the game to be fair, free of cheaters but I've quit FPS games altogether not just because of cheating but It has become harder to smash the buttons due to accessibility issues, a double whammy.
Since then I've switched to RTS, specifically Factorio. It's a game which doesn't generalize game play and so I don't have to compete with physical effort; Play the game as I want without stress; Or should I say different kind of stress? Go to go...must keep the factory running.
But seriously, Thank you Factorio developers and community for building an inclusive game. As for hackers, feel free to put your efforts in building those sweet mods!
I understand and am not surprised that there are businesses built on cheating (see Blizz vs. Glider), but it's pretty striking to me that you never even mention ethics or morality in your post.
I have been creating and hacking games for at least 20 years now. The hacking actually started when a friend who I shared one of my earliest games with (most likely a Breakout clone in Windows GDI / C++) hacked it with a memory editor to change his score. I was amazed at the time, both by his apparent ingenuity but also how easy it was to do myself in other games. 12+ years later you could still use a memory editor to desync RTS games (aoe2) or even over-write resources or XP (as in some SC2 custom games back in 2010).
But I've also played games competitively. I was probably very close to good enough to compete in cash tournaments in Unreal Tournament 2004. I remember ending up in a game with a cheater who bragged about his aim-bot's ability to compensate for high latency (up to 300ms). I was genuinely impressed but at the same time found it off-putting. I imagine what I felt was tiny sliver of what someone must feel after working their whole life at a professional sport only to lose out on an Olympic gold medal to someone who was later found to be using PEDs. And then take it a step further and imagine if Lance Armstrong gloated about how long and effectively he was able to keep his PED usage undetected.
It may sound paradoxical but I follow a code of ethics when it comes to hacking. I never give myself a competitive edge in multiplayer games that take their competitions seriously. Furthermore I would never distribute or share my hacks even if I did. I treat hacking as an exercise and mostly now just write bots that "play fair" because it is still an interesting technical challenge. By "play fair", I mean they read pixels from the screen and send keyboard and mouse inputs back to the game. Same interface as a human - no direct memory reading or writing of any kind. Even Alphastar (Deepmind's SC2 AI) doesn't go that far since it uses the game's provided API. This has the added advantage of being virtually impossible to detect via software (especially with human-simulated input delays and randomness).
That's two of my perspectives: as a hacker and separately as a semi-competitive gamer. And I have a third perspective as a game developer. Because of my past experience, it was an incredibly easy decision to make everything I could server authority when I created my game Nebulous. Player's positions are lock-step synced with the server and the server even keeps track of the player's view so clients only receive data for objects nearby. This was actually a networking optimization with the added benefit of making things like your radar hack impossible. (There are certainly workarounds that I'm aware of in my game, but the idea is sound).
Nebulous has a competitive 1v1 mode (with an Elo-like leaderboard). I used to do monthly ladders with in-game rewards at the end of month but had to do away with the rewards due to the all the "social" hacking it encouraged (win trading, smurfing, and multiple accounts. Some players have literally hundreds of accounts). Sucks for everyone.
For a while, one of the things competitive players enjoyed about the game was the discovery of "lightning fingers" (coined by South Korean players) or extremely fast tapping to eject mass by using multiple fingers. Think finger-rolling in Tetris: https://youtu.be/n-BZ5-Q48lE?t=80. Unfortunately you can imagine where that ended up going. Click macros became ubiquitous at the top of the ladder. There is nothing inherently wrong with a macro recording app (not sure if they still even require rooting). I wrote some hokey click-macro-detection algorithms but all you had to do was record your clicks while doing the technique successfully once for sufficiently long and replay that recording in segments. So I tried fighting fire with fire: I added an "auto click" feature with which you could hold the eject button down to eject mass at the server's tick rate (20hz), which is of course what the macros and very best legit clickers were able to accomplish. Unfortunately this really pissed off some legitimate players. It was a lose-lose situation.
Nowadays the biggest issue I face is publicly distributed bots (even available on Github!). These are even harder to detect.
I'm not sure if I really had a point with this post, but maybe I can provide unique perspective(s).
More recently in WoW classic I wrote a simple multi-boxing utility that let me play 5 characters at once using a combination of keystroke replication and repetition. Importantly I never used this in PVP. I used it in 5-man heroic dungeons (PVE) and eventually to see how far I could get in a 10 man raid (with 5 characters played by 1 person). Playing the game this way fundamentally changed the game, and it was probably the most fun I've had in any game ever.
I've never shared these hacks but regardless, public fish bots and multiboxing are/were common in wow and were always the least of Blizzards concerns. Look up "wow classic ban wave" for recent examples or the Blizzard vs. Glider suit I mentioned previously.
Maybe where I draw the line is that there are no victims with my hacks.
That said, I vaguely remember a similar sounding technique used in the Diablo 2 map hacks of yore. I think you could simulate your character moving around somehow (locally) to reveal the entire map. There were other techniques as well.
For something more along the lines of "An intermediate's guide to game hacking techniques" look up diablo 2 hack implementations. In my unprofessional opinion that is the most hacked multiplayer game of all time in terms of variety and creativity. Examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/24h8gh/how_were_peo...
Edit - oh just remembered a fun D2 anecdote: someone was able to memory-inject a keylogger on my machine and steal my password when I attempted to pick up an item he had dropped in the game. Not fun at the time!
i think there's actually value in a game server which allows _all_ cheats (that does not crash or disable the game from being playable).
Like 2b2t (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2b2t) minecraft server, the gameplay advances is amazing when cheaters are allowed full creativity. It changes the game in a whole new dimension. It also solves the problem of cheaters - in the sense, cheating is basically part of the game in 2b2t.
There's no such thing as "all cheats" by definition. There's always "all cheats plus one".
Do you know how much a cheat usually costs?