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> Better than a Dell XPS 15 is no standard at all.

so what is the laptop that would meet this standard for which you're making a judgement?

So far, apple hardware has been superior to any other manufacturer, even with their warts, and their anti-consumer practises (of not having replaceable batteries, etc).

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Not OP, but I have to chime in here- Dell's XPS line somehow got a reputation that it absolutely did not deserve as a good laptop to run linux on (or a good laptop at all).

I've been perfectly happy with a surface book 2, and various Lenovo and HP laptops. They each have better and worse product lines. Currently rocking an HP elitebook for personal use and a MB Pro for work.

The hardware quality is more or less the same on both. With the pro, you get a moderately better touchpad, a bit thinner and metal chassis. On the other hand, crap keyboard and the abomination that is the touch bar, and no legacy ports.

Personally, I don't think I would buy Apple for myself ever again, but that's just me.

The fact that we even have to debate about which laptop is good for Linux or not makes me not want to bother. I switched to Mac 12 years ago, and I never had to bother thinking about choosing hardware since. It just works.

It got the reputation because it is well deserved. The clickpad is far superior than macs and the software support is great

No one will ever convince me that a laptop with a web cam whose position is limited to looking straight up your nose is quality.

I primarily navigate by keyboard, so the difference between an acceptable and amazing trackpad is pretty minimal for my preferences. On the other hand, port wonkiness, temperamental wifi, okay keys, mediocre battery, driver issues and an utterly useless webcam convinced me to ditch the XPS the first chance I got. It's amazing I used it nearly 18 months.

> Dell's XPS line somehow got a reputation that it absolutely did not deserve as a good laptop to run linux on

This is where it started... https://www.engadget.com/2009-05-24-dell-now-offering-studio...

>So far, apple hardware has been superior to any other manufacturer, even with their warts, and their anti-consumer practises (of not having replaceable batteries, etc).

Milage may vary with other manufacturers, it doesn't look like you would change to another manufacturer. Which is ok.

Check business notebooks, from HP or Lenovo. (I forgot one particular Dell series.)

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