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if you understand music the way you claim to you’re not a mediocre player, although you could be transitioning from ‘mediocre’ to ‘pretty good’

jazz is a personality thing. there are many great musicians who can’t stand jazz and don’t respect jazz players. i’m not saying that’s correct, i’m just saying that is. A range of opinions exist at all levels of the art, and since it’s art, the artists are right to have their opinions.

all that being said, i’m with scoot

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I am a really mediocre player. But one can be a mediocre cook and understand and appreciate fine cuisine, or a couch athlete and understand the subtleties of football strategies. It's the difference between passive analysis and action.

And I certainly understand if someone dislike jazz. But saying it's not music is like saying Picasso's paintings are like a three-year old's drawings.

My programming skills are awful, meaning, I dont know too many languages and tools.

But I understand program architecture pretty deeply, and complex systems architecture is something I deeply just grok so the analogy you make makes sense to me.

scoot didn’t say it wasn’t music, and i’d rip him a new one, metaphorically, if he did. he said it wasn’t musical. many people say that to mean it doesn’t have a melody they like or can attach themselves to. i also think he may have meant to say use the word ‘lyrical’ which some use in the same way. i get you though.

rtsil - i also very much agree with your first paragraph there.

try listening to einstein on the beach. there’s a lot of bullshit non musicality going on in there, specifically to contrast with the more lyrical elements. that’s one of the greatest pieces of music of all time in my opinion.

picassos paintings are like a 3 yr olds drawings. that’s why they’re so special. the wonder of a child with the experience of a man. breathtaking artist.

as i get older and progress as a musician, i am more aware how bs the "right to their opinions" is. you can tell how good a player is within like 2 bars most of the time. its not ambiguous, and people generally go through a similar musical maturation path. also, can you name a great instrumentalist who doesnt respect "jazz players"?

yes, but i won’t

one of the more amazing comments ive seen here on hn

Just to be clear, you’re pro allowing people to have their own opinions? Or anti?

i mean, that may sound flippant, but i think it’s a reasonable response to

> i am more aware how bs the "right to their opinions" is

i think the person who designed the juciero is a better engineer than nikola tesla

did the person/persons who designed the juciero design anything else that would maybe support your contention?

i get the point that you’re trying to make, and I appreciate that the juciero is a great example of a bs product, but I don’t take your point because I don’t think our arguments are comparable.

Also, your two bar theory is utter bs in my experience.

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