Comment by ChuckNorris89 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by ChuckNorris89 | Hacker News Reader

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>It seems like exclusively new requirements and zero new features over Windows 10.

I'm confused by your statement. Were you trying to be snarky or were you commenting without actually informing yourself regarding the two OSs? Because the difference in features between Win 10 and 11 is just a quick Google search away.

Most proeminent features for Windows 11 are an updated scheduler tailored to big.little architectures like the new Alder Lake from Intel and Direct Storage for games, a rebranding of the same feature from Xbox One and PS5.

Yes, Windows 11 is pretty useless over Windows 10 if you have a previous gen system, but if you're buying a brand spanking new PC with Alder Lake or Direct Storage and are a hardcore gamer then it makes sense to go directly to Windows 11 to get the new shiny features (provided you experience no bugs on 11 that haven't been ironed out yet).

There are some other nice touches in Win11 like WSLg and the OS restoring your windows positions on multi monitor setups as they were between an undock - dock cycle of your laptop.

> Most proeminent features for Windows 11 are an updated scheduler tailored to big.little architectures like the new Alder Lake from Intel and Direct Storage for games, a rebranding of the same feature from Xbox One and PS5.

Let's be honest here though: those could easily have been added to Windows 10 as they will be on the same kernel... they added them to Windows 11 so that people would buy the new shiny!

I'm not saying it's wrong, companies need to get new money in to keep going, but those features hardly merited a "new" OS :)

>Let's be honest here though: those could easily have been added to Windows 10 as they will be on the same kernel... they added them to Windows 11 so that people would buy the new shiny!

Well yes of course, obviously, but I was not trying to defend Microsoft's choice here, just pointing out the feature difference between them as great-grandparent was being vocally critical without doing any prior research beforehand or he was just being intentionally snarky to score karma points from the Microsoft/Windows 11 hate mob.

In addition to the fact that MS had previously said Windows 10 would be the 'last' Windows

I don't think that was ever an official message, besides what some employees said on non-official terms in the past[0].

0:https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28740486

"fact"?

>so that people would buy the new shiny!

Makes no sense there is nothing to buy. Win11 is a free "update". Not adding it as update to win10 but give it a new name I purely marketing. Stuff like that happens if new people are in charge and want to have a new thing "made by them". It does not cost the users anything.

> It does not cost the users anything.

It does: Try creating a a local account on the Home version! You can't. You must create a Microsoft account which ties you Microsoft. You may not be physically handing over $ but you are using their ecosystem. Your actions are now recorded, categorized, analysed and then M$ make more money from them.

There is no way in hell they will give you an OS for $0 unless there is a way to make money from you. None.

Look, I'm not being cynical or negative about it! I'm just putting it in perspective. If people wanna do it then go for it. It's not for me.

This isn't just a Microsoft thing, companies that give you something for nothing are making money from you somehow! Or else they won't be around long.

Just consider the cheapest version of windows 7 home was like $150 bucks USD in 2008.

They aren’t apple. And Microsoft has randomly shut down hotmail/outlook accounts of mine for using a different IP (ie: proxying through a linode when on public wifi) and then made it so recovery wasn’t possible. It locked me out of an Xbox account

Years later I was able to recover it, but I will not rely on any of their services for anything I deem important. Ever again.

Still cost you nothing at all since you can stay on win10 home for as long as you want or basically for as long as your hardware does work for you. If you buy new hardware with windows 11 on it you pay for it but that would be exactly the same if the new hardware would come with win10. And it perfectly reasonable since the license is for the hardware and new hardware needs a new license. There is still no additional cost anywhere as upgrade is entirely free AND optional.

Beside that Windows 10 Home "requires" an account too since the May 2019 update but it can be bypassed and so can the account "requirement" to install windows 11 home, its all just one search away for the people who care. Most dont but that's another topic.

> Makes no sense there is nothing to buy. Win11 is a free "update". Not adding it as update to win10 but give it a new name I purely marketing. Stuff like that happens if new people are in charge and want to have a new thing "made by them". It does not cost the users anything.

Except for the bit that's the entire point of this tool: they dropped support for a ton of systems.

For a lot of people, to "upgrade" to Windows 11 means "buy a whole new PC." This drives additional sales of Windows 11 PCs (of which MS will take a cut).

The tool is useless you dont need it at all. Someone even wrote an GitHub issue about that but the owner deleted it. MS has detailed steps on the official website how you can install or update on unsupported hardware. They dont prevent anyone from running windows 11. They simply wont provide support if you run it on older hardware. Beside that they didn not drop support for "tons of systems" quiet the opposite they committed to provide updates to windows 10 for almost 5 years (likely to be extended). By then hardware not officially supported by windows 11 will be at least 7 years old.

>For a lot of people, to "upgrade" to Windows 11 means "buy a whole new PC." This drives additional sales of Windows 11 PCs (of which MS will take a cut).

How so? You dont need to upgrade nor buy a new hardware. If you want to that's entirely on you and has nothing to do with windows 11. The only reason to buy new hardware is if the old does not work for your use-case anymore or if support runs out in 5 years but chances are you replaced the hardware due to age long before that.

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