Comment by ShrigmaMale | Hacker News Reader

Comment by ShrigmaMale | Hacker News Reader

Common reasons for suicide the model found:

- Being threatened or harassed through digital media

- Being picked on or bullied by a student at school

- Exposure/involvement in serious arguments and yelling at home

Waow guys the computer solved the problem! Or not, everybody knew this already. They were "surprised" that family arguments have an effect? Anybody who knew kids with divorced parents growing up already know this.

Oh and notice it says "suicidal thoughts and behavior", it doesnt differentiate. Girls are more likely to have thoughts but less likely to act, pretty well known, so maybe it doesn't make sense to treat thoughts as seriously for them but this model makes it the same.

Oh and look at the survey they used, the CTC thing: https://web.archive.org/web/20100527132022/http://download.n...

Its asking obvious quesitons like "are you taking lots of drugs", "how is your relationship with family", "how engaged are you with peers and community socially", that kind of stuff. Like legit half of it is drug use questions. Nobody needs some fancy ass model to figure out how answering on those questions might indicate suicidal tendencies. Ive had two friends commit suicide out of nowhere in the past year, family didn't expect it, and nobody who was close to them expected it. Its them that are hard to spot and stop not the obvious "I'm on drugs, my father's abusive, I'm socially withdrawn" people.

“ Girls are more likely to have thoughts but less likely to act, pretty well known, so maybe it doesn't make sense to treat thoughts as seriously for them but this model makes it the same.”

I don’t see any sources to back up your claim, so here is some food for thought that says otherwise: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm

“ During February 21–March 20, 2021, suspected suicide attempt ED visits were 50.6% higher among girls aged 12–17 years than during the same period in 2019; among boys aged 12–17 years, suspected suicide attempt ED visits increased 3.7%.”

So girls are actually acting on it at an alarmingly higher rate than boys (up ~50% from last year due to the pandemic).

The fact that they end up in ED is actually proof that girls act on their suicidal thoughts in non-effective ways. Boys who shoot themselves in the head, or jump from the window, or in front of the train, they don't end up in ED, they go straight to the morque.

A girl would typically swallow some pills, and then call their best friend to say godbye, giving time and opportunity to help them.

Girls don't want to die ugly. They don't people to see them with a shot up face or a mangled body even after they are dead. They hope that if they take pills or slit their wrists they'll just look peacefully asleep when they are discovered.

I have never heard of any case where they've called their friends.

Not called yes but everybody ive know has sent goodbye text message or snapchat.

My understanding is that girls are more likely to attempt suicide, while boys are more likely to die from suicide.

As a sibling comment mentions, a big factor in this is differences in how the groups go about in their respective attempts.

I am also not aware, however, of statistics on long term effects of survived attempts of suicide.

> Like legit half of it is drug use questions.

That's on purpose:

"Communities That Care (CTC)[1] is a program of the Center for Substance Abuse Prevention"

"The Center for Substance Abuse Prevention (CSAP) aims to reduce the use of illegal substances and the abuse of legal ones.[14]"

That doesn't make it any better at predicting anything.

Ya i wasnt shit talking the study, i was saying its a bad dataset to use in this case.

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