Is the SEC Forcing Crypto Devs into Illegality and Anonymity?
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Oh my god it's the 90s peer-to-peer information super highway argument. It's back all over again, with the same complete unwaivering faith that adding the word "computers" to something means that all the existing laws are now invalid. Go read up about what happened to Napster. It's not even 20 years old... it's not ancient history...
> If crypto and DeFi are truly that great for innovation now, isn't it kind of ironic that after nine months of work, I'm starting to realize that my project's challenges don't lie within technology but are made of legal uncertainty?
No, cryptocurrency developers were doing that on their own long before the SEC got involved.
By building it as a company, you're taking a fundamental disadvantage to anonymous competitors, because the anonymous act as a sovereign micronation and can make the rules for themselves, while you are just another striver within the state, forced to compromise and not step on toes. I wouldn't rule out tokenization as a company, but I sense it existing in a separate, collaborative niche from the anon projects.
Why be spiteful?
If this were true then criminals could setup a globally distributed database of child prn or something else illegal. The "cyberspace" isn't just some magical place with no affect on the real world. It has real consequences on real people's lives.
Most people frankly probably hype crypto as a get rich quick scheme. They see a green pasture with a lack of established players and hope they can be the next "Wolf of Blockchain Street" (or at least make some more modest profit).
Many people hyping the tech on less greedy grounds see it as a way around governments. And it is.. sorta. You still need to follow laws, but now the government has a weaker arm to enforce them against you since you don't need big financial firms.
On the flip side, Crypto also is potentially more egalitarian since you don't need big financial firms to do financial stuff - anyone can mine (at a small scale at least) to potentially make some small income, and certain complex financial actions can be done for "free-ish" in smart contracts (conditional swaps/lending, escrow, multi-sig transactions). Obviously you're not doing "real world" items in escrow like a house, but many financial transactions that are done in complex trades and wall-street type activities often require underwriting from big banks.
This is good and bad. Take flash loans:
> Flash loans are uncollateralized cryptocurrency loans structured so that they must be paid back instantly using smart contracts, making them attractive for things like arbitrage across exchanges. If the loan isn’t paid back, then it never happens, because both occur in the same transaction.
The good:
You can't do such transactions as a regular person in the real world, because most banks would never talk to you if you asked for such uncollateralized loans for trading.
The point was not about loans, per se, it was about broadly the complex financial services industry. Most of that is done by large wall-street like banks dealing with rich cash flush clients, and not very available to average people.
So the reason crypto is valuable is that it allows people to take part in complex financial transactions.
Fixed it for you :)
In crypto, it is a similar thing, but obviously without government insurance. To secure the ledger, you pay for it. It is paid by the holders and given to miners to secure the ledger (via deflation and tx costs). Its a similar idea. People find this distributed blockchain security to have value, so they pay for it.
This should so far be easy to see parallels. People find value in the security, there is just a different provider and regulatory environment, but in both cases people pay for that security. You may not value one kind or the other, but do accept that some people somewhere values each of them.
With this framing of the value provided by the blockchain, don't think of cryptocurrency like a typical stock market type trading. You can think of it more like currency. We legally treat it like a security (in US), but understand its value-proposition is more currency-like.
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> Obviously some people are converting the crypto back into cash and buying real estate with their gains
Yes people usually convert it back to fiat money to buy things like real estate. Not always, but usually. Nothing is absolute. Think of this like a European person taking euros to America. Most of the time, they'll change it to USD before buying things, but maybe they find a person in America who wants EUR because they're selling their American home to move to Paris. The EUR economy in America is small, and so is the BTC.
> those gains come from the losses of other people eventually. Crypto has no cash flow.
When you trade stocks, people buy/sell the security, and in theory the act of the business conducting itself (profits, etc) should impact the value, eg by generating a dividend or increasing share value. Therefore, overtime the market becomes worth "more" because more economic activity is represented by the shares. Therefore it is not a 0 sum game. In a rising market, the market increases in value (positive sum).
This is not crypto. That is true, but this doesn't mean it should all be thrown out.
Crypto gains are generated at the expense of others. That is also how FOREX trading works, and people do that and its not controversial to most anti-crypto people. Speculative investing is not something I'll push for or attack, but people seem to want to do it, but it is not a good or only reason d'être for crypto in my opinion.
These financial transactions can sometimes be improved with more complex financial engineering. At times, is way more accessible with crypto than traditional financial institutions.
International transfers are another crypto use that is common. There is no inherent reason that a blockchain has to be used to perform this, but somehow in this world it came to be that crypto is one of the cheapest ways to move money overseas.
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TLDR: Crypto has a different value proposition than you think it should, and yes, it has value to people. Also speculative trading is not everything.
Again, plenty of DeFi applications are way more accessible than fiat counterparts and that’s a unique feature that probably can’t exist elsewhere - better availability of certain types loans for trading, ability to earn income from providing liquidity to exchanges, decentralized exchanges without third parties. Not all defi is particularly useful or better than fiat counterparts, eg a crypto mortgage will not likely exist anytime soon.
I don't know if you read the article but the last paragraph is what inspired my original comment. FTA in quotes below.
"If crypto and DeFi are truly that great for innovation now, isn't it kind of ironic that after nine months of work, I'm starting to realize that my project's challenges don't lie within technology but are made of legal uncertainty?"
Unfortunately people are getting the idea that crypto technology is revolutionary and jumping in with unrealistic expectations.
This man is writing large, thoughtful explanation -complete with concessions and limits- that is not hyped and not biased and you’re latching on to minor details and using that as a reason to poo-poo the logic? You’re petty arguing against a calm factual explanation. They’re not even good arguments.
“You could have done that by putting it under your bed” is so silly and intellectually dishonest. Try to imagine the other side here, and at least consider the possibility that there is room for additional value beyond your world view. At least try to see the other side even if you won’t want to see from the other side.
As far as intellectual dishonest goes, storing your wealth in physical items that are in your physical possession is something that people actually do. I personally don't do that, but the reality is that some people don't trust banks and they don't trust a network of computers. To say that it is dishonest to point out that there were already alternatives to banks seems inaccurate.
Creating a centralized corporate entity and centralized operating protocols is like painting a huge target on your back that screams: "Here big banks and captured gov, come screw me and all the users over please!"
No need to be strictly anon, just don't play the same game… if you really want to build, what you build needs to be "metadata drone strike" proof…