Taiwan is 3% foreign immigrants, Japan is 2%.
Something like 5% of Swedish-born residents are descended from Finns if you go back a few generations (not counted among foreign-born immigrants).
2 million are not born in Sweden.
Of these, the top 10 are:
Syrien 193,594
Irak 146,440
Finland 140,337
Polen 93,762
Iran 81,301
Somalia 70,184
Jugoslavien 63,419
Afghanistan 60,858
Bosnien och Hercegovina 60,161
Turkiet 52,628
Then there's "born in Sweden, both parents from the same foreign country"
Finland 62,042
Irak 58,864
Syrien 32,829
Jugoslavien 30,903 (Yugoslavia)
Somalia 30,743
Jugoslavien 13,111
Irak 10,530
Syrien 7,880
Libanon 7,604
Turkiet 5,969
Finland 13,968
Jugoslavien 10,696
Syrien 9,381
Polen 5,949 (Poland)
Libanon 5,645
Finland 65,872
Danmark 29,235
Norge 27,275 (Norway)
Tyskland 23,670 (Germany)
Förenade kungariket 16,965 (UK)
Finland 113,178
Norge 39,676
Tyskland 25,560
Danmark 22,990
Polen 16,279It isn’t the only factor; China does it through culture, or Sinofication. https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinicization “Han Chinese” isn’t based on genetics it’s many different races that call themselves Han because they share culture. This is historically what happened in China and is now happening in Africa and South America.
Not quite. Han Chinese is a specific ethnicity. But it is true that "Chinese” isn’t based on genetics, it’s many different races that call themselves "Chinese" because they share culture. Or to cover all cases, it's many different races that the Chinese government calls "Chinese" to push a facade of homogeneity, marginalize minority peoples like Uyghurs, and marginalize minority languages and cultures in China that aren't Han Chinese, though their current nationality is Chinese.
> the northern and southern Han Chinese are genetically closest to each other and it finds that the genetic characteristics of present-day northern Han Chinese were already formed as early as three thousand years ago in the Central Plain area.[22]
>Among some southern Han Chinese varieties such as Cantonese, Hakka and Minnan, a different term exists – Tang Chinese (Chinese: 唐人; pinyin: Táng Rén, literally "the people of Tang"), derived from the later Tang dynasty, regarded as another zenith of Chinese civilization.
>The term "Huaxia" was used by Confucius's contemporaries, during the Warring States era, to describe the shared ethnicity of all Chinese; Chinese people called themselves Hua Ren.
Regionally they called themselves people of the area they grew up in, the Baiyue who are now called "Han Chinese" did not call themselves Han. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue When reading this section I noticed a "Han Chinese" bias.
>The Han Chinese referred to the various non-Han "barbarian" peoples of southern China as "Baiyue", saying they possessed habits like adapting to water, having their hair cropped short and tattooed. The Han also said their language was "animal shrieking" and that they lacked morals, modesty, civilization and culture.
The actual book linked calls them "citizens of Han" not "Han Chinese". https://books.google.com/books/content?id=Y3oSAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA...
Han Chinese is like Apple retronaming all of the OSes that run on iPhone as iOS, the same way the Chinese government is doing the same for all the people's historical names of what they called themselves.
When I say Han, I'm referring to the genetic group XYZ. I understand that some people say Han and mean the nation ABC. I also agree that calling all people from the modern country of China Han is propaganda and "Han"-washes (to make a parallel to white-wash) a number of different ethnicities and cultures.
To bring it back to the original points:
> (you) “Han Chinese” isn’t based on genetics it’s many different races that call themselves Han because they share culture
> (me) Not quite. Han Chinese is a specific ethnicity. But it is true that "Chinese” isn’t based on genetics, it’s many different races that call themselves "Chinese" because they share culture. Or to cover all cases, it's many different races that the Chinese government calls "Chinese" to push a facade of homogeneity, marginalize minority peoples like Uyghurs, and marginalize minority languages and cultures in China that aren't Han Chinese, though their current nationality is Chinese.
You were talking about the ABC Han, or Han as the name of the Han nation, while I was talking about the Han ethnicity. I don't think we really disagreed, just got tripped up on semantics. Although if you still disagree with the scientific belief that there is a Han ethnicity in spite of all the data, then I think we can't go much further here.
I don't think its a very useful classification, but I do not think its stictly scientific, its more cultural since ethnicity is a social heuristic, classifying races isn't scientific but its has uses. If we classify it as a group of Y-haplotypes it can have a scientific basis, but its still classified by social norms. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Y-chromosome-haplotype...
Also, if diversity is the problem (hypothetically) why can't we implement Swedish/Japanese/Taiwanese stuff in those American towns with no diversity?
Without any more explanation this sounds like one of those things where you find two statistics about two countries and say "this explains the difference."
The authors hand wave his data by saying white people are to blame.
> In other words, greater distrust may stem from prejudice rather than from diversity per se. Therefore, Putnam’s conclusion that racial diversity leads to less altruism and cooperation amongst neighbors was incorrect. If there is a downside to diversity, it has less to do with the behavior of racial minorities and more to do with how Whites feel when living amongst non-Whites.
They attempt to decouple diversity and prejudice, but that is completely illogical. Their logic is if you asked a minority if they feel more comfortable with a jury that is made of people who are not of a similar culture and racial background as them they would, but white people wouldn’t. That is ridiculous.
The linked article has a lot of stuff about how the Putnam study misinterprets its data.
... HOAs enforce strict driveway maintenance codes? I don't think there are any suburbs with a national healthcare system or a social safety net.
So swedes are cool with this, but what about people from different backgrounds? As the GP hints, people working in Sweden who are not Swedish are not comfortable with this, so perhaps in countries with much more diversity these things would never get off of the ground due to the sheer number of competing opinions on what is acceptable/unacceptable etc
Why would it be crazy for that to be available for everyone? I genuinely don't get what the big idea is.
I'm not personally much of a fan of private sector salaries, income tax paid, etc. being a matter of public record but it's also not obviously "crazy" either. There are reasonable debates about transparency at the margins and this is a margin.
Not saying either approach is necessarily wrong. But it probably works better in public sector which tends to be very seniority based. In the US, it would breed a lot of resentment towards people who you thought were overpaid relative to yourself for many people.
If I know I am a better employee than you, and you make that much more, if I am unwilling to do anything about it but grumble, that's a personal problem. I would argue that anyone who is willing to stay in a shit situation without trying to remedy said situation (being underpaid and knowing it for a fact) sort of brought those problems on themselves. It's a problem to complain about only if you have tried to fix it and couldn't.
Systematically, it would allow people to see which businesses pay best, where their particular skills would be best reimbursed. Therefore, anyone in that shit situation who wants to grumble would have even more information available to them to be able to shop for jobs.
I still don't see a downside.
Also you don't know you're a better employee than me. You think you are but you may not even be aware of a bunch of stuff I do.
>Also you don't know you're a better employee than me. You think you are but you may not even be aware of a bunch of stuff I do
This is actually still a pro-, in my opinion, on public salary information. If I know you make more and approach the manager, it opens up a line of discussion on expectations versus outcomes versus perceptions. I think it actually makes the process of helping staff improve much easier!
In general default to private is the norm in the US and there isn’t a general sentiment to generally change that with respect to salary, tax returns, etc.
For example, seeking new employment your new employer would be able to see your previous salary. That means people who start out in the lower wage markets could have a much harder time improving their salaries.
Think bigger, you are missing the forest for the trees.
It is not about Tom finding out Joe is getting paid 5% more.
It's about Joe finding out his employer took advatage of his inexperienceand lied to him, and everyone in the industry gets paid 2x what he does.
Corporations have a massive data advantage and leverage over you, they know how much everyone is paid, and how much their competitors pay. This data helps level the playing field.
It also helps detect illegal price fixing, breaches of minimum wage, makes plain effectiveness or ineffectiveness of unions, etc. It informs journalism and policy.
Every time you refuse to tell your colleague your salary, you are not helping yourself, you are helping your boss.
This principle is why most of the information that our government has is public, but not everything is in a database accessible by anyone on the Internet, but some information is. If I want to know what a private person makes I can call Skatteverket and ask, but this info is not available on the Internet, though some companies provide services for this.
If you have a registration number for a car you can get information about it using the link below, but owner info requires me to login with my bankid (online identity service that most government and banks, etc, use). I just did this and got an email with the owner and owner history within a few minutes. I did it for a Tesla that has BITCOIN as reg number that I've seen before, you can also try it.
https://fu-regnr.transportstyrelsen.se/extweb/UppgifterAnnat...
Even in the US you can look up the salary of many people (public university employees come to mind).
One of the most important moments early in my career was learning the salary of the people above me. It let me evaluate the upside of climbing that ladder for the next 5-10 years and ultimately helped me make a critical decision to leave and take a higher risk role where the upside was greater.
The whole privacy system is geared towards supporting employers and people in the upper echelons of salary.
Senior citizens are also targeted by criminals in Sweden, because the age and address of almost all citizens is publicly available. They might be visited by a couple who ask for a glass of water or whatever, and then one of the visitors distract the senior citizen while the other searches the place for jewelry.
I find this unconvincing - firstly, most crime happens in poor neighbourhoods.
Secondly, you don't need to know someone's salary to tell apart a rich neighbourhood or house from a poor one.
Thirdly, high salary does not mean you have anything to steal, my friend earns a lot but all him money is in mortgage, stocks or in the bank. All you could steal from his house is a laptop.
Lastly, even if everything you said was true, it doesn't mean we should cower and hide, it means police are not doing their job well enough.
That's kind of my point. Let's say you live in a poor neighborhood but do some stock trading and suddenly make a large profit. That will be shown in public records, it's not just salaries that are public. You now have a target on your back. Criminals will not come to your house looking for a laptop, they will come looking for you, putting a gun to your head telling you to transfer your assets to them.
> it means police are not doing their job well enough
Principles are nice, but pragmatism is better at keeping you alive...
You talk about pragmatism but give a crime scenario out of Hollywood movies.
Do you mean bank transfer? Am I transferring a million dollars into an official bank account registered in the criminal's real name?
Do you mean I should sign a deed giving them possesion of my house, and that would hold up in court?
Any large transfer will trigger a multi-day KYC and security process at the bank. Are they going to hold me hostage for weeks?
There is a much easier crime that pays better and does not involve risk of death and leaving your fibgerprints all over: stealing a car, an expensive car.
That's why there are more car thefts than home robberies.
https://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/krim/man-misshandlad-o...
There are of course other ways to transfer assets than the ones you describe. And yes, one guy was held hostage for weeks:
The second "Bengtsson, 32, was abducted on January 17th in Gothenburg on his way to work at Siba, a family-owned nationwide home electronics retail chain of which he is managing director and which he will one day inherit."
Is your suggestion that if this information weren't public then no one would know that those men were rich and so they wouldn't have been robbed or abducted?
Because 1) poor people get robbed too, and 2) I usually think someone who lives in a castle, is often profiled in the news for one's wealth-related activities; or someone who is the managing director of a large chain store; probably has money - without having to check their tax records.
Were the attackers of Count Carl Piper ever found? You mentioned "foreign criminals" earlier, but why couldn't they be domestic?
Earlier you wrote "Senior citizens are also targeted by criminals in Sweden".
I'm from the US. Senior citizens are also targeted by criminals in US. Eg, see https://www.fbi.gov/scams-and-safety/common-scams-and-crimes... .
There's no need to know the person's age and address - go to a neighborhood with decent-looking houses and knock on doors pretending to offer services like re-roofing or driveway sealing. If the person who answers is old, and alone, try exactly the same technique you mentioned.
Or, take a down-payment for the roofing work then don't do it, like in https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2021/10/07/cgb-sus... .
Frustratingly, wage theft is very common in the US but not covered under criminal law. Quoting https://www.epi.org/publication/wage-theft-bigger-problem-fo...
> Wage theft—employers’ failure to pay workers money they are legally entitled to—affects far more people than more well-known and feared forms of theft such as bank robberies, convenience store robberies, street and highway robberies, and gas station robberies. Employers steal billions of dollars from their employees each year by working them off the clock, by failing to pay the minimum wage, or by cheating them of overtime pay they have a right to receive. Survey research shows that well over two-thirds of low-wage workers have been the victims of wage theft.
Even in the US, different regions have different ways to measure the clearance rate, and as I pointed out with wage theft, even the concept of what is measured differs between jurisdictions.
I therefore find it hard to judge that a raw number like "14%" is easily comparable with other countries.
In researching this I found https://bra.se/bra-in-english/home/publications/archive/publ... from 2014, which makes a similar point:
> The aim is to find explanations for why Sweden has a lower clearance rate than the other countries, despite the fact that victim surveys show that real crime levels are roughly the same.
> One factor of relevance to differences in the clearance rate is the issue of differences in the way the police register crimes. In Sweden, for example, the method used to count the number of reported offences is less restrictive than those employed in the other countries. Several of the countries also use a definition of cleared offences that differs from that employed in Sweden. In some countries, it is sufficient to have registered a suspect on reasonable grounds for the offence to be considered cleared. In Sweden, however, an individual must either have been prosecuted for the offence or issued with a summary sanction order or a waiver of prosecution.
> Finally, the chapter presents an alternative method of measuring police effectiveness in the countries studied, namely the number of conviction decisions per 1,000 of population. Using this measure, Sweden is no worse than the other five countries; in fact, all of the countries lie at approximately the same level.
In that report the official clearance rates were:
Sweden 17
Norway 47
Denmark 18
Netherlands 25
Germany 54
England & Wales 27 / 29
Or, in Germany, "If the police consider that a reported incident does not meet these requirements, it is not registered as an offence in the crime statistics. In addition, statistics on reported offences do not include open cases.", and "The procedure employed to produce offence counts is also more restrictive than in Sweden, and employs the principal offence meth-od. Thus, if a perpetrator assaults two men on the same occasion, this is only counted as a single offence in Germany, while in Sweden it would be counted as two separate offences."
These are just some of ways that biases the official statistics in ways that make it difficult to compare numbers directly.
It could be argued that transparency in taxes collected is a positive thing for a society.