Podcasts are my new Wikipedia
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For me personally, podcasts are great while grocery shopping, washing clothes or other chores that engage me too little to be interesting, but too much to let my mind wander into critical thinking mode. I'm sure this threshold is different for different people.
But for intentionally passive time, like walking or running, I've stopped listening to podcasts. I may or may not listen to music.
Especially for running, I'll intentionally choose a topic beforehand to think about, and then actively think about that topic. I've found that extremely stimulating.
So I skip a lot of the podcasts that would provide a aoothing background noise and only listen those where I feel joy when I see a new episode is out.
One of the EN ones I enjoy is Dan Carlin's Hardcore History
Logbuch:Netzpolitik: http://logbuch-netzpolitik.de/feed/m4a
Forschergeist: http://forschergeist.de/feed/m4a/
Raumzeit: http://raumzeit-podcast.de/feed/m4a/
Resonator: https://resonator-podcast.de/feed/m4a/
* Power Corrupts - An in-depth look at the darker side of humanity, particularly corrupt national leaders, the ways they hold on to power, and how to prevent that.
* The Electronic Wireless Show - A weekly podcast from Rock Paper Shotgun, ostensibly about PC gaming, but I'm there more for the fantastic dynamic between the three hosts.
Honorable mention goes out to the now concluded 13 Minutes to the Moon from the BBC World Service, the first series focuses on the final 13 minute descent from Apollo 11 to the surface of the moon, concluding with an unedited playback of the audio loop from mission control which at that point you've got enough context to understand. The second series runs through the events of Apollo 13's mission, and how they managed to get the crew back to Earth.
Behind the bastards - good show, but it will depress you.
Bankless - if you’re interested in crypto/blockchain
Heist podcast - this one is fun. No murder or creepy criminal stuff. Just robbery, lol
Side hustle school - very short episodes, I only listen to the side hustle episodes and skip the Q&A, advice ones
Invest Like a Boss - I am a money dummy, I learned quite a bit. Depending on your financial knowledge, it may or may not be appealing to you
Sam Harris has a podcasat I have love/hate relationship but as OP pointed, its great at pushing you to think about give opinion.
- Long Now: Seminars About Long Term Thinking
- Arms Control Wonk
- At The Brink
It's where I got my best thinking done, simply because I had nothing else to do. I'd often reach my hotel and get right on my laptop to Google things or write code. I built my best projects on the road.
I think this is why people walk, meditate or take long showers. Idle time is important, but we do everything to avoid it.
While I'm certain grocery shopping isn't the most mentally stimulating form of activity, it's still "quiet time" (relatively, anyway) that my brain craves.
I remember growing up before smartphones were ubiquitous. I never had an iPod or mp3 player, so I'd just be alone with my thoughts for 40 minute bus/subway rides. It sounds like torture today, but I actually look back on that with some bittersweet jealously... simpler times.
I reviewed the situations that I listen to a podcast (there are quite few):
1. In the car, because it beats listening to radio commercials 2. Washing up at night, because I hate washing dishes but putting something on distracts me enough to power through.
> I'm driving or walking or cooking or cleaning.
> It's noise that minimally engages
What's a better alternative? Listen to the vacuum cleaner? to the other's cars engines? To the top 10 reggaeton mix?
I use every single "non thinking" activity I do (like driving, cleaning, walking outside, etc) to listen to things that really interest me, from news about the tech industry, to web dev subjects I'm interested on, to astrophysics and general science divulgation, etc.
The amount of stuff I've learnt and the entertainment provided is invaluable to me, and just using time otherwise I'd be just hating my life for being stuck in a traffic jam.
This is true for kids (no 24/7 screen time, they need to be bored out of their minds at least once a week) and for adults.
On day's when my brain is functioning properly that's great, it can be really nice. On the days when it isn't I would much rather be listening to some pointless waffle from podcast hosts than dwelling on something I did wrong 15 years ago and how that makes me a terrible person.
Mind activity. The activity of problem solving, organizing thought, taking decisions - when e.g. you mentally organize your time, you actively problem solve. With the listening, you are processing information, which is different. A lesson in mathematics is radically different from solving mathematical exercises.
But one is all for optimizing time and if you find that meeting information e.g. while driving works well for you, comes natural and fruitful - that is just excellent!
Also, there are the mental breaks, which are necessary part of the whole process like phases in breathing. I am not sure the car is optimal for them though.
All three things have their space.
When I’m able to think deeply with silence or music, I do. Podcasts just fill the gap between those times.
This is a very powerful coping mechanism for me. For someone who is neurotypical, I can easily see how one can form some bad habits.
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Back to the topic: thank you! Any similar non-fictional material around? Edit: librivox also contains non-fiction, according to the filters. (I rest my case with relevance to the above note.) It is probably not the most specialized repository for informational or educational material though?
In fact, Spanish language records filtered as 'Non-Fiction',
https://librivox.org/search?title=&author=&reader=&keywords=...
still produce literature (works which have their value mostly in being literary products instead of contemporary essays).
For example, I have a dual language text of Hesse’s Damien. I found an audiobook on Amazon, but it has been abridged, to the point that individual sentences have been changed - with words eliminated! That makes it very difficult to follow text while listening.
I’ll see if Librivox, mentioned above, has a copy. Thanks!
What I’m trying to avoid is starting to read Spanish with an English hybridized with Latin pronunciation running in my head. I can halfway understand written Spanish already, so I figure that a few weeks following audiobooks with a text would be very helpful to getting a good start on a proper accent.
Learning is not about information, it’s about grokking.
The magic of the interview podcast is the privilege of hearing the nuance of someone’s thoughts. You can feel their brain spinning in real time. You can gradually begin to comprehend their modes of thinking and their source of wisdom.
Within just a few hours of listening to someone, you can begin to predict - nearly exactly! - how they would respond to the next question, even if it’s novel. Even if the information is surprising; the mode of thinking of that person will not be.
This means we can tap into the minds of incredibly smart people and begin to.. grok their grok.
Deep transfer of wisdom, at scale. Is there anything more magical than that?
>But I felt guilty for not learning new things and just listening to music all day long
Along the same lines something I regularly hear "I don't read fiction it's a waste of time". You can learn new things by listening to music, by doing or engaging with art, by rereading the same stories, and so on. Learning means expanding the mind of the learner, it is not external fact gathering. You can do the same thing over and over and learn something new every time, Nabokov used to (cheekily) point out that the only good reader is a re-reader, because you can only memorize ten books or so, you just gotta find the right ones and they'll last you a lifetime or put more succintly:
"The real voyage of discovery consists, not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes"
Seen this a lot, and I'm in the same boat. I dislike this commodified view of life and free time, where every thing you do must result in a sort of real-life stat increase, like you would see in a video game (Persona 5 anyone?).
I think ultimately this way of thinking is extremely naive. It implies there is no underlying themes or philosophy in music or fiction whereas listening to a podcast will cause you to learn something new. The subtle messaging a good album possesses can be far more profound than listening to a guy talk about data science for an hour each day. Listening to a good album or reading fiction can give you new ways to frame problems or reconsider old approaches in your work.
We need more polymaths.
Slacking off and not getting necessary things done is terribly self-destructive. But so is cramming "learning", "goals", and "growth" into literally every second of your day.
I occasionally overwhelm myself with all of this stuff to learn, read, listen, do, and it takes a mental toll on me.
There is just so much out there, but we can't do it all.
:)
In the Arts there may be little specific track, but it is acquisition of keys anyway, and a fundamental one, because the consideration of art is the encounter of patterns. Pattern for your further recognition, application, and for your development in general as a "pattern-rich entity".
Some truths are only mass-publishable as fiction.
Another thing that have been replaced by podcasts, at least for me are specialty news sites. No need to go read about last nights Red Wings game or the latest blockbuster when a podcast can give me that information, and when I am on a walk or driving to work.
- the outsider comedian commentary helped add a level of critique and emotion to the material, which made it much more memorable
- the presidents' lives overlap, so there's this helical effect of retreading the same material
- it also served to review generic American history
On the whole, this was much more engaging and effective than a Wikipedia binge. I did also use Wikipedia to explore tangents that my listening brought to my attention.
Ironically, I almost lost my first match by getting Final Jeopardy wrong, and the category was 19th Century Presidential Campaigns.
I do enjoy ones more in the style of radio programmes, or for that matter actual radio programmes.. In Our Time is excellent for short deep dives into all manner of subject.
A focused topic and fact or idea based discussions or stories in each episode keep me listening.
I plan to slowly expand the number of podcast episodes that I have indexed to include multiple podcasts and thousands of episodes. Currently it's about ~100 episodes.
For those that are skeptical of why you'd want this, I'd say that I regularly enough find my brain pulling out information that I heard in a podcast episode that I wanted to have the transcripts easily searchable to verify and reinforce my memory.
If I were first to place some plans in front of your eyes, what would your hands build then?
If there were no plans, what might your hands do before they started building a machine?
What organ/s might help your hands to do this?
If that organ/s was busy listening to a podcast, how might that affect the output of your hands?
Couldn't imagine doing two things at once and calling one of them 'work' and the other 'learning'.
I can listen to a single episode on some subject, then days later basically retell the entire thing to my dad. And by the time I've finished retelling what I learned, it's burned in forever.
I imagine what's happening is that you're assuming that because you experience existence a certain way, _everyone_ must experience it that way too.
That’s been valuable to me because basic familiarity with something is a major step toward using it. Good hosts and guests have a casual style you don’t have to work to parse.
I also remember some portions of podcasts that end up not only relevant, but containing valuable context only available in that episode.
One example recently was the creator of Flask reflecting on what the community was now doing that he would not have done.
I transcribed some of this into the thread and I’m sure it would not have been something he would have put in a blog post. It wasn’t bad, but it was earnest and offered an emotional touch only the person affected by the experience could offer.
Audio-only is not as bad as video, in my experience. Probably still less-than in comparison to reading, but certainly an acceptable compromise particularly for people who struggle to read due to some disability.
It's relevant in this discussion because the content and the user's environment both determine whether a thing is "good" or "bad" (or as McLuhan would say... cold or hot). I personally don't listen to podcasts as a passive activity, I try to concentrate as if I were reading them to follow along with the concepts, but that's a function of what I'm listening to, I tend to favor theoretical discussions of concepts rather than people making jokes about the news or analyzing sports highlights or something that is more divided into discrete sections.
I can listen while driving a car, because driving a car is purely reactive (the GPS is telling me when to turn, and otherwise I simply react to signs, traffic lights, and other vehicles without thinking much). But listening while coding doesn't work, I'll have to constantly rewind to a section of stuff that I've tuned out while reading docs or thinking about something else.
On the other hand, if someone prefers listening to analysis of the previous day's NBA games and because they live in Houston they don't care about the Bulls vs the Knicks, who cares if they tune that part out and miss most of it? Listen while you're watching TV or cooking dinner if that's what floats your boat.
I can't listen to podcasts while programming, but I can certainly learn a lot from listening to podcasts while cleaning the car, or working in the garage, or mowing the lawn.
Learning: the acquisition of knowledge or skills through experience, study, or by being taught.
Podcasts are great for learning. They're not great for learning skills, but they're great for acquiring knowledge.
I prefer Snipd, they use a bit of ML to predict useful start and end points around where you toggle the capture. They also generate transcripts for the podcast and the snip itself. It’s not perfect, but it makes editing your highlights a lot easier.
The only thing I think I could "learn" through that kind of passive listening would be narrative stuff like history, or interesting global trivia. Maybe philosophy or policy at a stretch.
Good background podcasts are more conversational, repeat the same information twice, go slow and talk for long about one thing. So they work as background listening, but if you tried to actively listen you would feel like they are too long.
Already mentioned Dan Carlin's Hardcore History is amazing source of viewpoints and perspectives that completely upended my understanding of history.
> Couldn't imagine doing two things at once and calling one of them 'work' and the other 'learning'.
I doubt anyone here programs and listens to anything but essentially noise, be it music or podcast.
You cannot focus on two serious things at once. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about doing a menial task like preping veg for cooking or cleaning doesn't require much attention. You can almost do those at autopilot and thats why people find it boring - because their minds wonder and seek stimulation. Since you dont need much attention for those tasks you can absolutely listen to audiobook or interesting podcast and learn something.
There are good podcasts for sure, e.g. Naval Ravikant and Guy Raz.
It's something I personally noticed multiple times already, someone is incredibly misinformed on a certain topic, and when you dig deeper it turns out they're not simply indifferent to learning about it - on the contrary - they regularly listening to a podcast about it.
Anyway, I have no reason to believe podcasts are any worse than other typical places people would try to learn things. And surely the takeaway shouldn't be "don't try to learn"...
That's what's great about the medium, something for everyone! :D
OK, this is making me feel seriously snobbish. Dude, get a more interesting job! This is not how writing software is supposed to be. You absolutely should not be able to learn from a podcast while designing/implementing/testing software. There might be a few exceptions: e.g. tweaking CSS colors. But seriously, get a real software job -- you might find that you actually enjoy it.
It's either stuff I can't understand (growly metal music) or fully instrumental.
Some of my favorites:
- Dan Carlin's Hardcore History: I've been a sick fuck with these really, started with the one over the history of nukes. Finished all the ones on spotify and paid for his library, worth every penny.
- 99% invisible: Love this one as it takes introduces some interesting topics of the design of everyday things, their definition of design is very broad so you get episodes all over the place
- Sucker for interview style podcasts with good guests but it depends on the guests, some options include: Knowledge Project, The Portal, Tim Ferris, Lex Friedman, Joe Rogan, Jordan Harbinger
- Azeem Azhar's Exponential View: my favorite tech related podcast, also has a great newsletter of the same title
- Conflicted: this is a really interesting one by an ex-Al Qaeda member turned M16 informant, really interesting perspective on middle east issues and other geopolitical things