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The OP did not say they could not, or should not be allowed to prevent patrons from talking, only that they personally would choose not to eat there

To many people believe "freedom" means "people need to do, and accept what I want"... That is not freedom

the business is free to say "no talking" and I am free to say "no shopping there"....

That is the market at work. The problem is when government attempts to impose requirements on either the business or the customer.

Let the market work, we do not need government mandating in either direction

I specifically quoted the part I disagreed with: “I’ve done my part”.

> It’s increasingly obvious vaccination doesn’t prevent the spread.

The idea that spread is something that should be stopped at ANY cost is false. Now, what is the price we are willing to pay to stop it? We've already used a novel vaccine. What next? The highest price acceptable by me has been paid.

Mandatory testing before you are allowed to leave house? I see that as next logical step. And really should have been the chosen method instead of vaccination passports.

So where do you stop? Do I need mandatory testing for all illness as well? What about inebration, should my door have a BAC meter on it? Every car??

The amount of draconian authoritarianism people are willing to accept here is insanity to me. I often read Sci-Fi dystopian novels thinking "How could a future like that happen really" Now I know... people are willing to trade every ounce of freedom they have for the perception of safety. Very sad

The price of inaction is way higher. There are still people dying of Covid. Covid deaths in the US are at the same level as they were in May 2020.

If it’s obvious the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread, then why is it table stakes for anything? At that point it’s just a personal safety choice, and I don’t care at all if others get it.

If a parachute doesn't stop the fall why use it? Let's jump without.

How does that address my point of getting the vaccine myself vs others getting it? Also, even if I was just talking about the value of getting the vaccine (which I wasn’t) that’s a terrible analogy. If you jump out of a plane without a parachute you’ll certainly die. As a healthy person, if I get covid I will almost certainly survive and recover quickly.

It addresses the point that a measure doesn't need to be 100% effective to be worth using.

Because otherwise big pharma couldn't get richer and politicians pushing it wouldn't get their commission, which is more important than the lifes of catt...citizens.

Political actions like forbidding hospital access to unvaccinated people in France showed long time ago that the purpose of vaccine mandates is not health related.

Vaccination isn't a ticket or an anointment, it's an injection that prepares your immune system to better fight the coronavirus.

Saying that there's no need for it because it's not a complete solution is like selling your car because you still have to walk to get from your couch to your car.

Sure, and that’s why I got it. That doesn’t explain why everyone is so hell-bent on forcing others to get it.

People are encouraged to get vaccinations to reduce the transmission of diseases

Same reason it's illegal to not wear your seatbelt. Your "personal safety choice" becomes everyone's problem when you get hurt and take up a hospital bed.

The point isn’t stopping the spread now, it’s preventing hospitals from filling up. Past that I see no reason to increase lockdown measures.

Well good news, that was done a long time ago to the point now where the hospitals are soo empty we can just fire people for not following the mandates...

I mean they would not fire nurses and doctors if they were critically needed would they?...

Sarcasm aside... from most reports I see in the US, the hospitals are filling up with non-covid people that delayed treatments to mass fear around covid, now all of the other every day illness is catching up to people. good job we did there with the fear propaganda

There's space between "stops the spread" and "doesn't affect the spread" .

Current vaccination levels are inadequate to stop the spread, but they do significantly reduce it.

It doesn't stop the spread, but it decreases it. How the fuck are we even having this conversation in the end of 2021?!

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