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Well, you did voluntary signed a Contract. As part of a commercial exchange, you agree to do and do not certain things for money. Inalienable Rights can't be signed away, so the argument that you are signing away Inalienable Rights really does not hold water.

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Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems to me that confining yourself to civil judgement via private arbitration removes your rights.

It’s worth remembering that arbitration is actually a common enough practice outside of employment. Any divorce involving “mediation” is arbitration, and both parties agreed to it. The disconnect comes when the person “suggesting” arbitration (the employer) is in a position of power.

If mediation is unsuccessful, neither party has lost or waived the right to a court appearance, so your analogy doesn't hold. Mediation in divorce is a cost-saving measure often required by the court.

That's a very valid point. That's why I think employer (or TOS) mandated arbitration are ridiculous. I should have the option of disputing the arbitration result by default, but many clauses say that the arbitration result is binding and that you have no other recourse.

I need person X to teatify so that I don't go to jail, and I never signed a contract.

Also, did amazom workers voluntarily sign up to pee in bottles?

Yes

I agree but I believe the Supreme Court does not, which would imply to me that they do not believe any right that can be signed away is inalienable - although I also expect they would never say this outright.

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