I made my own garum
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Culinary detectives try to recover the formula for garum - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28998703 - Oct 2021 (16 comments)
I guess it's just nice to see people so passionate about things.
https://www.youtube.com/c/TastingHistory/videos?view=0&sort=...
> Garum is a fermented fish sauce which was used as a condiment in the cuisines of Phoenicia, ancient Greece, Rome, Carthage and later Byzantium. Liquamen is a similar preparation, and at times they were synonymous. [...] Like the modern fermented soy product soy sauce, fermented garum is a rich source of umami flavoring due to the presence of glutamates.
There's also this wonderful list of fish sauces on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fish_sauces
Fish-sauce-bar, the next big thing?
(The Anchovy Bar in San Francisco)
Keyword: sardella
Author says he made “garum (or more accurately, liquamen)”, but provides no explanation of the distinction, nor did I see one in the comments here or on Twitter.
Apparently garum is made from the blood and viscera alone, whereas liquamen uses the whole fish.
Source - https://www.romanobritain.org/2-arl_food/zz-grainger-garum.p...
Google translate:
https://translate.google.it/?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&text=liquame&...
>Sally Grainger, an independent researcher and author of The Story of Garum, published last December, also praises Palacios’ effort. But she believes that what the Cádiz team actually produced was a form of liquamen, and because they combined techniques from different recipes, she doubts whether their claims of authenticity are completely justified.
[1] https://www.abuelaconcha.com/tienda/salsa-flor-garum-100ml/
I mean I get the point, but a bottle like this can last you months, it's not exactly bank breaking.
Loosening the definition of what a garum should be, people have been making garum from a lot of other ingredients such as mushrooms. Koji is usually listed as one of the ingredients, as it contains a lot of enzymes that do the same things as the fish' guts do.
I make mine a lot more simple though, just putting a jar in the heater cupboard. Perfect results every time.
“In the Philippines, we call this patis. It is used in almost all dishes and as a dip.”
I'm a bit sad the answer isn't given in that thread.
C. botulinum can enter the process on raw materials. The spores of C. botulinum are very common. They have been found in the gills and viscera of finfish, crabs, and shellfish. C. botulinum type E is the most common form found in freshwater and marine environments. Types A and B are generally found on land but may also be occasionally found in water. It should be assumed that C. botulinum will be present in any raw fishery product, particularly in the viscera.
Because spores are known to be present in the viscera, any product that will be preserved by salting, drying, pickling, or fermentation should be eviscerated prior to processing (see the “Compliance Policy Guide,” Sec. 540.650). Without evisceration, toxin formation is possible during the process, even with strict control of temperature. Evisceration of fish is the careful and complete removal of all internal organs in the body cavity without puncturing or cutting them, including gonads. If even a portion of the viscera or its contents is left behind, the risk of toxin formation by C. botulinum remains. Uneviscerated small fish, less than 5 inches in length (e.g., anchovies and herring sprats), for which processing eliminates preformed toxin, prevents toxin formation during processing and that reach a water phase salt content of 10% in refrigerated finished products, or a water activity of below 0.85 in shelf-stable finished products, or a pH of 4.6 or less in shelf-stable finished products, are not subject to the evisceration recommendation.
Obviously he isn't eviscerating his fish since the process relies on the fish guts still being in there. But he is using small fish. Since he is starting from frozen, he can probably rely on them not containing preformed toxin.
For shelf stable (non-refrigerated) products they recommend 20% salt (which is what he used, unless the calcualtion for water phase salt is somehow different):
Controlling the amount of salt in the product to 20% water phase salt (wps) or more, to prevent the growth of C. botulinum types A, B, E, and F and other pathogens that may be present in the product (e.g., shelf-stable salted products).
Obviously, 20% salt is a lot of salt, I think you can't use that much for many other kinds of fermentation (e.g. vegetables), because the product would be inedible. But for a sauce, it's fine (soy sauce is ~15%). I wonder what the pH of his final product is. Fish sauce never struck me as particularly acidic.
PS: Not a food scientist, haven't even done a lot of pickling, don't believe anything I write, read the original sources (twice).
https://www.fda.gov/files/food/published/Fish-and-Fishery-Pr...
For vegetables, you have lactofermantation that can make you attain a low pH.
I've made sauerkraut a few times, and you don't need it. You usually add ~1/2% of the cabbage weight in salt, press the cabbage wit the salt so that it release juice, and the juice becomes very acide due to lactofermantation.
Is it really, esp. once mixed and cooked? Has anyone done blind studies on this?
I use Asian fish sauces in a lot of recipes but I'm skeptical I would be able to tell the difference between different fish sauces in the final dish.
Im wondering if it would it be worth it to start adding it to my recipes. Also how does the taste differ from Oyester sauce?
Whether it's "usually" part of the recipe or not, if you like it, go for it!
Totally different thing than oyster sauce as I've seen oyster sauce.
I put fish sauce in lots of stuff, if it's good fish sauce it's really an umami boost.
I suspect this is indeed a very good fish sauce, what with the high-quality fish and fancy salt, and "artisenal" production. There are also very good asian fish sauces!
I'm not sure if this was intentional, but if it was, well played.
Anyway it's interesting how many times fish fermentation (seemingly independently) seems to have cropped up in various cultures. A bit strange, since you have to be pretty dang hungry before you even go close to a fermenting fish.
It looks like they've replaced them again, since that time.
And couldn't they have told the scientist that it's "Worcestershire Sauce" and not "Worcester Sauce"? Worcestershire is the county, Worcester is the largest city in that county.
At least it's pronounced correctly. Worcester/Worcestershire rhyme with Leicester/Leicestershire, and pronunciation of "Leicester" should be familiar to Americans as the personal name "Lester". ("Wuster" hasn't caught on yet.)
-cester as a suffix to a place name is from the Latin castrum, meaning fort – these were Roman settlements.
Btw. this is one of the prime examples why I think we should use phonetic transscription not only for different alphabets, but also for languages that use latin characters with very different pronunciation (like Irish or Welsh), or even for odd English words like this one.
We do, it's called IPA and Worcestershire is /ˈwʊstərʃər/.
Using something similar for actual normal writing would be difficult though, it would hide all the etymological linkages between different European languages, and even obscure connections within each language.
[edit] Farce. Faaaaaa. Larceny. Lonnie?
Leicestershire in general has more than its fair share of difficult placenames: Ashby de la Zouch, South Croxton, Kirby Bellars, Belvoir, Rotherby vs Rothley, Frisby on the Wreake, Nether Broughton, Kibworth Beauchamp, Glooston* (not sure of this one myself), Wymeswold.
dd → th, ff → f, ll → hl (ish), w → oo gets you most of the way to being understood as a tourist, in my experience. (Though I'm British, so I've heard many of the larger Welsh place names pronounced properly since childhood, via TV/radio etc.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_orthography#Letter_names...
It may be all kinds of wrong, I'm not sure, but it helped keep my sanity (on this one point...)
cester/caster/chester (from castrum, meaning fort/castle) is a very common place name ending in English and the cester variant is almost always pronounced ster. Think Leicester, Gloucester, Worcester.
I've heard plenty of English people pronounce it "Wooster Sauce". I'm pretty sure they're aware of the difference. I think it's just become a standard contraction.
[1] http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/worcesterorworcestershiresau...
I can see her point, it doesn't sound appealing when you read the preparation, but I can imagine it actually taste quite good.
She has also made a TV series which is roughly the same content, but in slightly less written detail, but substituted with her going to the locations and showing you the artifacts.
The one thing that might put you off is that it doesn't have a coherent overall narrative in the traditional sense. Its not like she is telling you a story about the end of the republic, or trying to make you have new conclusions about roman attitudes to imperialism.
Its also not told chronologically. I think she designed it to make you get a feeling for what a roman would consider being "roman" was about.
If you are already reasonably familiar with roman history, this might annoy, but for someone who's only read horrible histories, and some TV history programs, I found it brilliant.
[1]: Recipe from Maangchi: https://www.maangchi.com/recipe/tongbaechu-kimchi
I am wondering if it tastes better than contemporary asian fish sauces mainly because he used better fish (imported from Portugal whole frozen sardines, oh my!), and did it in a traditional "artisenal" way instead of whatever changes they make for mass production.
This is very interesting though! Now I kind of want to try some, but don't know if I have the guts to make it myself.
It smelled awful, but I was dared. A spoonful later and I was using every muscle in my body not to vomit everywhere.
I'm not a fish fan unless it's deep fried properly with a decent batter, and I can't stand Salmon, so maybe I'm not the best to critique it, but I still shiver at the memory.
I believe it was made using the full fish body, over a few weeks fermenting in the sun. Homemade, too iirc. I'm surprised I didn't get severely sick, to be honest or food poisoning...
I know it’s just a figure of speech but still.