Yeah, I shouldn't use tech that is basically used all over the world for convenient internet connections to access a new tech that is basically built on top of that.
Sounds reasonable...
Sounds reasonable...
WiFi is indeed a convenient tech used all around the world... for convenience, not performance. If you're gaming, if you need security, if you need reliable and consistent performance, Ethernet is pretty ubiquitous. I have couple of wires from Bell router to gaming and music computer at home, wifi for other usages.
When added to your extremely sarcastic tone to honest attempts to assist... what are you actually trying to achieve/learn here?
There's any number of things WiFi isn't the perfect answer for.
Ultimately, in today's world, if you want to jam with musicians not in your room, some non zero effort will be required. Presumably you have setup you audio interface, music interface, microphones, software, mixer, midi and asio, etc etc etc... Honestly, for me at least, Ethernet is the least inconvenient or nerdy or annoying aspect of home studio :-)
For me, cables are a huge issue, because my PC is in a room that's not directly connected to my appartement, where my internet connection is located.
Trying to convince everyone else that something as simple as plugging a wire in, is horribly onerous, when they do it every day or so, is probably going to be an uphill battle, especially if it's for something people want. Where jamming with friends over the Internet ranks in your list of desires, vs never ever having to do this horrible act of plugging in a wire, is on you.
"Here's some ways in which it can work using a slightly different but still as widely used commodity technology" (wired LAN)
"No, that is unreasonable, wires are unreasonable"
Like, it's SUCH a simple solution: use wires. That's how I can stream games from my computer to my parent's house at 1080p60 with only about 30ms latency over domestic broadband connection, for example.
Also, sometimes you can get really lucky with wireless on 5ghz - see streaming in VR as a prime example. The developer of Virtual Desktop for the Quest has done some great work getting a really solid low latency VR feel; I've been able to stream games from rent-a-VM ShadowPC servers without feeling the lag.
OK, so pro audio is a different beast and is even more sensitive to latency than VR, but here people are having fun with this tech and clearly it's working for them!
I have 14ms between my Quest/PC and it feels sluggish.
> We've been able to achieve sub 20ms latency from UK to Denmark - more than 1000km !
That is pretty good latency for what it does, it's not just ICMP packages but sending/receiving audio and then all that comes with it.
How are you connecting your Quest and PC? Sounds awful, my latency to friends outside the city has a shorter latency than that and they are more than 10km away from me.
All I've seen in shorter distances was usually worse :(
1 mile away, both of us have AT&T fiber, we're seeing 10-15ms response times (packet size ~1400).
100 miles away, both on AT&T fiber clocked in around 18-20ms
1 mile away, one on AT&T fiber the other on Comcast gigabit had response times around 24ms
100 miles away, one on AT&T fiber the other on Comcast gigabit had response times around 35ms
i'm hard pressed to believe you will find an american ISP that prioritizes low latency. verizon 5g home actually did some magic with their non-standard hardware where i was seeing 9ms to my in-town datacenter and 16ms to my out-of-state datacenter. when they replaced the hardware with the standards-compliant generation of hardware my latency increased to 30ms in-town (they also changed towers so that could be part of the problem, plus congestion during prime time)
i just moved where i am 6 blocks away from my friend who i did the 1 mile test with. i will retest this afternoon and update this comment
Indeed. Perhaps we don't worry about those people anymore. If you are interested in a high quality experience but don't want to satisfy the prerequisites, you are not entitled.
WiFi is never going to provide a reliable, ultra-low-latency streaming experience for the average person. This isn't a "we can but we won't" type of problem where, with just a bit of extra effort, we can somehow magically solve all of the deficits.
Yes, there are scenarios where WiFi is indistinguishable from ethernet, but those are exceedingly rare in my experience.
Otherwise, using Ethernet + Fiber connection should be good enough for most. Only if you really wanna lower the latency should you invest in additional hardware.