Jack Dorsey mocks Mark Zuckerberg's metaverse plan, saying it's dystopian
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Telling people to ditch Facebook because its harmful and all that is easy if you don't use it (either at all or anymore).
Part of that is because Twitter is a far more alive means for discourse, for democratic processes to emerge & steer what gets raised. There's way less of the echo chamber. There's significantly more back & forth in the comments, way more cross-engagement, that highlights other views, that checks what's happening. On Facebook, the post & the link are primary & the comments are a mess, often a sea of amplification. Twitter- as a for the most part open discussion- is able to tap a "wisdom of the crowds" sensibility whereas Facebook is perpetually falling into dark rabbit holes.
But all of this... blaming the tools... it doesn't click with me, really. As unknowable & scary as algorithmic selection is, it seems like a distant second compared to what the real story is.
Isn't it obvious? It's us. It's humanity that is the problem. These are inherent problems with attention & broadcast, & how easy it is to feed on other people, to excite them & drive them to ends. Antagonism and zeal are a high-grade memetic weapons payload, and the easy democratic access to thought & conversation is easily subverted. We haven't much in the way of building up immunities- to this day, blocking people seems to be the one and only defense most people have online, and that is a shield which does nothing to contribute to general welfare, to helping align & raise up the infosphere.
We live in a dystopian world with dystopian fallen people. It's a much closer together world, much better stitched together. This was of course going to cause problems. But I cannot imagine the horror of going back, of trying to establish authoritarian & limited channels for communication that the info-scarce world of the past was limited to. I do have great hope for progress, but humanity must innovate openly together, must build our own overlays to ourselves better comprehend the world.
But given that we are all flawed and easily manipulated (on the macro) I think you might minimizing the roles these tools play when they are designed to exploit our flaws.
Twitter doesn't have a real-name policy.
The only way for Mark Zuckerberg to be left loose, is do something similar to Jack Dorsey.
There is, in fact, no amount of money Mark Zuckerberg could contribute toward progressive causes to absolve himself and Facebook of the stain of unethical practices.
I'm sure there is nothing I could do to convince you of that in light of a history of analysis through a politics-or-race only lens.
Further, Twitter's own research shows they have more broadly amplified the right than the left. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28953427 I for one could not be less shocked.
There is no great vast system working against a view. It's just not so. Governing a platform is hard, keeping things on the rails is hard. Not every decision is easy & clean & obvious. Saying- this is not a democratic platform, this doesn't allow open conversation, is working against me- seems patently clearly obviously heinously untrue. 99.999999999999% of conversations go unmediated, unhindered. To try to grind an axe over this is, to portray Twitter as some horrible biased agent twisting things to it's desired world view, is to me, is to threaten obvious social order that exists, is to call fire where there is none. It creates a sense of agency & power & competency & deliberateness which in no way reflects anything resembling reality.
Regarding "politics", I think publicly displaying some principles is preferable to the faux-neutrality with secret behind-the-scenes tinkering that Facebook does. It gives me the willies.
Twitter's own research shows they have more broadly amplified the right than the left. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28953427 I for one could not be less shocked.
You (and temp8964) are engaged in, in my view, conspiratorial minded thinking. You imagine some great vast system working against a view. It's just not so. Governing a platform is hard, keeping things on the rails is hard. Not every decision is easy & clean & obvious. Taking the conspiratorial minded view, saying- this is not a democratic platform, this doesn't allow open conversation, is working against me- seems patently clearly obviously heinously untrue. To try to grind an axe over this is, to me, bogus. There's no evidence, no claim I can possibly imagine that justifies such extreme & radical shade casting.
Not to mention Mark's alleged personal involvement in Cambridge Analytica scandal [1] or Mark's 1:1 dinner with Trump in the White House in 2019.
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/20/22736476/mark-zuckerberg...
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/mark-zuckerberg-once-killed-...
Zuck invites Dorsey over for dinner, and at the time he was doing a personal challenge to only eat meat that he himself had killed, to be mindful that it did come from a once living animal.
Y'know, if more people did that, we would probably have less people eating meat in general. We're so disconnected from how our food is actually made... Meat doesn't grow on trees or just magically appear in stores.
The worst part was apparently the zuck is a bad chef and serve a cold meal.
To me, it feels like a lot of the metaverse hype is just companies (and their founders) looking for some higher purpose, rather than just saying "we're a social network" or "we're a gaming platform".
Flame on!
Facebook is a disgusting mess, but a bunch of out of touch old people sharing propaganda pales in comparison to journalists, celebrities, and politicians actively coordinating witch hunts.
I've said it before, but it's quite telling that the current political drumbeat is set on destroying Facebook, but never mentions Twitter.
The joke here is that Jack, Mark (and others) already live in an unreal metaverse. These people are so far out of touch with reality that they're thinking about creating an even deeper virtual world than the fakeness they live in, just to escape it.
When I see some peoples’ sick addictions to constantly using their phone, I sometimes feel compelled to tell them about the https://freedom.to service (I am a happy customer).
Not sure what the right phrase is, but this feels like "metaverse" is a going to be an uphill battle for users to embrace.
Cryptocurrencies claim to empower via decentralisation, but in reality they simply change the power structures from legal-based to capital-based power structures, and removing legal challenges that could be levelled at corporations in favour of "proofs" that have no moral leeway. I believe they are a strongly dystopian concept masquerading as a utopian opportunity.