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It has been 700 days since Tesla & Co debuted the Cybertruck and took pre-orders, with no new tangible updates.

It has been 1,435 days since Tesla & Co took pre-orders charging a $50,000 deposit to pre-order the roadster.

It has been 1,435 days since Tesla & Co announced the Tesla Semi, with no new tangible updates since 2017.

They have legally filed that their system is, and will be for the long foreseeable future, level 2 autonomy, far from "full self driving" of L5 autonony that they advertise and actively market to unknowing consumers.

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You can get all that money back if you do no longer want to wait for the product. What's your issue?

> with no new tangible updates since 2017.

They have just installed Megacharger in Nevada. New Test Semi were spotted a couple of time. They are hiring people for the Semi part of the company pretty constantly.

> with no new tangible updates.

Other then building a gigantic factory dedicated for building the car.

> to unknowing consumers.

I assume you mean consumers who are unable to read.

>You can get all that money back if you do no longer want to wait for the product. What's your issue?

I don't love fraud. Tesla loses money on every car it sells and cooks the books by charging for imaginary options. That is cut-and-dry securities fraud.

>Other then building a gigantic factory dedicated for building the car.

Tesla does not operate gigantic factories. They're a pipsqueak.

>Tesla loses money on every car it sells and cooks the books by charging for imaginary options.

This is false lol.

They would make so much money with a model 2 that they might be able to justify their valuation. I find it hard to believe that they won't eventually build it. Obviously not going to happen until factories are not at capacity with higher margin cars, but it seems likely to eventually happen.

There are affordable electric cars on the market today with better build quality than what Tesla sells for $80k. Someone will make a killing off affordable electric cars. Every indication is it will not be Tesla.

You honestly sound like a short seller or something. Tesla owns the vast majority of EV sales in US and other countries. You act as if other companies will easily catch up on major moats like battery tech/supercharging network/autopilot, but that Tesla can't improve on Build Quality?

Every indication is that it will be Tesla.

You think "Autopilot" is a moat? Every other company has had that stuff for ten years and their systems actually work. Adaptive cruise control ain't new.

And no, I don't think Tesla can improve on build quality. Their cars are fantastically shit. May as well consider Yugo a competitor to Bentley.

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