Western Maryland asks West Virginia to 'consider adding us' to their state
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“The legislature, in cooperation with the properly constituted authority of any adjoining state, is empowered to change, alter, and redefine the state boundaries, such change, alteration and redefinition to become effective only upon approval of the Congress of the United States.”
Essentially they’d need approval from WV, MD, and an act of Congress. Highly unlikely.
This issue is one of the many defects in democracies: your power sometimes rests in the way somebody drew a border a long time ago.
More recently, there was that expensive California idea pushed by Tim Draper, as well as a new country in the Pacific Northwest including parts of Canada and the U.S.
Additionally, while splitting off Maine was for a good cause - it was essentially just a hack to keep the senate balanced in the lead-up to the civil war.
Frequently, but not exclusively, found among those who enjoy feeling historical grievances.
You'd still have major urban areas mostly controlling each state but fighting the rest of the state every step of the way. It works from a "keep the number of red and blue senators" fairly constant perspective but it doesn't actually solve anybody's complaints about lack of self-government.
Not really, even on the scale of “crazy proposals to divide California into multiple states” , of which there have been a couple hundred since it was admitted to the union.
> it would have given the people living there more representation in congress in the form of 4 new senators, as well as more local control
Sure, and Cal58 (each existing county as its own state) would give them 114 new senators, and even more local control, by the same standards. Cal3 retained the main “problem” most recent “split California” proposals aim to fix, the perceived representation problem (particularly in the statewide executive and U.S. Senate) resulting from the deepest red parts of the State (which are on par with some of the deepest red parts of the country) being diluted in a big blue state. Two of the three Cal3 states (NorCal, Cal) would have been solid blue, including the one with the reddest parts of the existing State (Cal), and the other (SoCal) would have (at least, from the political state at the time) been fairly competitive (though also pretty solidly blue, in Presidential terms, if 2016 and 2020 worked out the same way by county.)
It also would have turned a lot of broad issues in the State, which cross the proposed borders, into potential federal issues, reducing local control (and also reducing the possibility of any favorable action in the presence of federal hostility – common given the structural rightward tilt of federal representation [which, while it would help a tiny bit with, it wouldn't neutralize] – or deadlock.)
> You would think that there would be broad support for the proposal considering a lot of people in these large left-leaning states often complain that their vote is not “worth as much” as a vote in a less populated state.
You would think that if you were thinking shallowly about that one complaint, and not the whole host of issues involved in splitting up an existing state.
2020: water, and vaccine mandates.
I'm currently reading Inside USA and it's amazing how many of the issues the author describes remain current. Western water management is a big one, along with structural racism in the south.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killington,_Vermont_secession_...
If you have the power to move to the other side of the border, then that at least limits the difference between perfect democracy and reality. Admittedly the costs involved in moving does make this option similar to a poll tax, though.
More generally, though, I wouldn't phrase things in terms of "defects in democracies" but rather "examples of how some implementations of political systems fall short of the goals of democracy". Other examples would be lax campaign financing rules, non-proportional voting systems, and gerrymandering (which is the opposite problem, i.e. someone drawing a border very recently).
But, while we're talking about things that won't ever happen, we should also combine the Dakotas into one state. Lot of government administrative resources wasted for very few people actually living there. And we're paying for four senators, where two is way more than necessary to represent that population.
Population of North + South Dakota: 1,645,198*
Persons per senator in California: 19,828,419
Persons per senator in the Dakotas: 411,300
Getting highly-overrepresented people to give up their overrepresentation is a hard ask.
*latest US Census figures
It can both be true that the senate was “designed” to represent different interests and at the same time we can critique it and say that certain states are “over represented” as the society the senate was originally designed for no longer exists. we have different needs and values than we did in 1789 and the system we live under today is already radically different than the one that existed in say 1800.
Really, Senate representation is set up to uphold the status quo on slavery. It's supposed toaesre that the free states cant outlaw slavery, and so that slave states cant change the due date for when slavery would stop.
Today's representation carries that legacy, where new states are not allowed unless they preserve the status quo.
Senate representation was one of many bulwarks against majoritarianism, which was one of the founders' principal concerns, for a variety of reasons.
If you want pure proportional representation then you need to dismiss senate, and change congressional election to nation wide proportional system. Afterwards you wouldn’t even need states anymore.
Hence why senators are elected for 6 years, because states interests don't change that often and the house every 2, in order for the people to have as much influence as possible.
Same reason all tax bills have to start in the house, why senators weren't elected by popular vote.
Personally, I’d rather cut my own foot off with a rusty steak knife than live in West Virginia, which has basically nothing going for it except some decent wilderness. It doesn’t help that I have relatives there who love the confederate flag and decorate the back of their truck with a few iron crosses. Maybe they’d fit in among the residents of western Maryland.
If the counties were able to succeed and join WV, I wonder how many Marylanders would move out there for the low taxes.
Back-to-land'er hippies communities are a joy to frequent: they play music every time they're not hiking, brewing, building their home or tending their garden. They also tried to do their own festival. If you want to met some of them, you have to try producer markets and talk to the guys there, or just go to a bar where music is played and talk to the musicians.
You can also participate in a home brew contest, you'll taste horrible stuff, pretty good stuff, and meet wonderful people..
For the record, the popular vote percentages for the Democrats in the past 3 senate elections were: 53.0%, 58.2%, and 47.0%. That averages 52.7%, so gaining an extra two senate seats would still mean the Democrats were under-represented.
(I know that the purpose of the senate is not to represent each citizen equally, I just thought it was worth pointing out which parts of the country have the most grounds for complaint).
To say that one party doesn’t want people to be represented at all is a ridiculous straw-man.
Isn't DC a low population region? Then why does one party not want them to be represented at all?
Rhode Island is a small state, it isn’t rural. Hawaii is a small state, above average population density. Small and large on an electoral basis refer to population size.
The same was true in the past: Alaska and Hawaii were admitted essentially as a two-for-one deal because Alaska was reliably Republican and Hawaii reliably Democrat. If both had been one or the other they might have had to wait a long time. And the arguments would have been facially plausible (but not real) here too: the importance of territorial contiguity, the low population of Alaska, the difficulties of establishing effective transportation links, whatever.
The number of people who are for (small-d) democratic advances regardless of whether they benefit their own party is (in my view depressingly) low.
Since then 37 more states have joined, almost all carved out of territory formerly owned by the federal government itself, settled largely by people from other states and immigrants under the direction of said federal government. They were never independently sovereign units yet we all live under the political bargains that were struck to reach an agreement with the original 13.
The system was not designed with this reality in mind, it was a pragmatic decision dressed up with the political theory of the time. If “protecting minority interests” were that important, there are much better systems designs that actually are tailored to fit the political realities of America in 2021.
By ensuring (by overrepresenting the same interests overrepresented in the House by a smaller margin, and in the electoral college by a margin in between that of the two Houses of Congress) that a particular minority will reliably be able to trample the interests of the opposing majority.
If that's the point of the Senate, those states should be sharing 1 congressional seat amongst multiple states to match their population
>Only about 1 in 6 of the 1.87 million civilian full-time federal employees live in the Washington, D.C. metro area, which includes Northern VA
National Democrats would also like two more Senate seats (and both DC and Maryland are predominantly Democratic, DC absurdly so) while national Republicans are happy enough with the status quo, giving DC no voting representation in Congress at all. So there's no strong momentum for movement on any side except DC's (who don't have the power to do anything about it by themselves).
>DC doesn't want to be part of Maryland (they like being independent and feel that Maryland's concerns are not theirs) and Maryland doesn't want DC (they feel it would move the centre of gravity of the state even further towards the DC suburbs, making it worse for the further-flung parts of the state).
Bremen and Hamburg both were Free Cities in the Holy Roman Empire. More importantly, they were among the very few Free Cities that retained this status until and past the end of the HRE (1806). Being in the Hanseatic League helped establish their importance, but the League wasn't actually a major concern at that time anymore, and hadn't been for over a century, but they certainly played to that history (and e.g. added "Hansestadt" to their names, long after)
I think that's worth considering. It would get rid of a lot of the left/right gridlock at state levels. Cities would be mostly free to do as they wish without rural areas holding them back and rural areas would be free to do as they wish without cities holding them back. This would also greatly reduce the amount of BS that needs to get done at the federal level because a ton of that stuff is not interstate issues but an end run around the fact that the blue team and the red team can't do what they want at the state level so they try and get the feds to do it to the whole country.
And before anyone says "but money" I would like to remind them that freedom isn't free.
Every metro with population above median or average of existing US states should have the option of forming a new state. Seems to work for Berlin/Bremen/Hamburg in Germany, and various metros in other countries.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/09/politics/west-virginia-republ...
this type of political huckstering happens periodically between US states, most famously the exhausting routine of Californian politicians demanding the state be carved into a north and south (with Los Angeles curiously a northern city in most maps.)
When your brand of political ideal is so toxic or disinteresting to a state that you seek to bifurcate the state itself, you're missing the point of political discourse and abdicating the role of statesman.
WV lost a seat in the 2020 census. Would move seats from Maryland to WV. From Blue to Red.
I like to idea just to square off WV's eastern panhandle. It would look nice on a map with a flat top.
It surprises me though that citizens in those counties would want to have the state shift below their feet to WV, one of the poorest states in the union. Maybe taxes are cheaper which would be good for them?
Fracking is likely the real motivator. There is rich natural gas reserves that were being fracked in Western Maryland before the state banned it.
Fracking was absolutely causing local environmental harm, but it was also bringing in jobs and tax revenue and people vote with their wallets.
Furthermore, I'm not sure your conjecture is even correct. Subsistence farming supported people for centuries before our megalopolises existed.
Pittsburgh, PA? On a map the western parts of Maryland seem vaguely as close to Pittsburgh as they are to Baltimore. Even if they were closer to Pittsburgh, PA why would media in Pittsburgh, PA cover events in western Maryland (since it's still kind of far away and Pittsburgh isn't that big a city)?
I also don't know what they mean by "media market" being in Pittsburgh, again, if they mean PA.
I Google and can't find a Pittsburgh, MD so I assume they are talking about PA. But I'm still confused.
Ah. I never understood anything to do with Nielsen. Makes sense.
Also, according to Wikipedia, Garrett County is part of the Pittsburgh Media Market:
EDIT: It's syndicated to msn: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/western-maryland-lawmakers...