Do you expect people to pretend the trend isn't happening in order to comfort you? What does it say about your own values that they are so loosely held that you'd sacrifice them out of contempt like this?
This is a strawman. The parent was saying that in order to have an effect and convince people, you shouldnt alienate them. You can do this without lying or ignoring things that are happening. In fact, the people you're most likely able to convince are people in the middle and by alienating them you're actually causing the trend that you're denouncing.
> What does it say about your own values that they are so loosely held that you'd sacrifice them out of contempt like this?
This is just a straight ad hominem. I thought we were supposed to be above these sorts of things on hn.
The "other side" has ZERO capacity/will/desire to ACTUALLY engage in meaningful dialog , but sole goal is to "win" no matter what the cost.
There is no logical appeal that can sway the state-level propaganda and brainwashing that billions have been spent on over the last 40 years.
1. Respond one single way to events
2. Ignore events
There are lots of ways to express concern that are less alienating.
There are plenty of trends happening on the "other side" which are also veritably nuts, so I don't find this to be a very compelling argument. The ad hominem doesn't help, either.
And now we’ve come full circle. Using “whataboutism” to avoid conversations about topics is a problem. Whether you’re using it to deflect to a different topic or using it as an excuse to avoid talking about a topic altogether. Someone could argue your comment is the latter and is just as harmful.
But I think most of that is a limitation of text/internet communication that people don’t consciously notice. It’s much easier to have nuance in an in-person conversation.
Well that’s certainly a dishonest premise.
It's simply a bad argument. I only brought up the "other side" to help analogize it, my apologies if it confused things.
To me it’s just painfully obvious you think very highly of yourself.
No one can have any nuanced opinion without all of their individuality being discarded and all weight being given to the party they vote for. It seems to me that the party they vote for is just an ephemeral label and really doesn't suffice in extrapolating much. We should stop contextualizing all conversations on the political affiliation of people.