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>"Today I learned that a standard, four octet IPv4 address can be subject to a DMCA takedown notice. Imagine what would happen if someone did this to 192.168.0.1/16 !"

hehe, https://transparencyreport.google.com/copyright/domains/loca...

And (from the linked source) 22.5% were actually delisted?

Apple changed my life twice.

First they introduced me to structured and functional way of thinking about designing UI (with old MacOS X HIG). Practically gave start of my career with this.

And in the last several years in series of decisions they forced me to completely revision my view of what hardware and software I use for my personal and professional computing.

The power of industrial design is still with them (almost tempted me to fall again in the rabbit hole with the new MacBook Pro), happily for me they are run by marketing and never ending expansion, not by product people, and as a result regularly they produce utter crap - mouse with charging port under the body, faulty laptop keyboards, the thrash can, and now the notch. So I dodged "the bullet".:)

On a more different level of thought, we as consumers rarely take a moment to think about the implications of creating a monopolistic monsters and how this relates to our future as a professionals or individuals.

DMCA will never be reformed with balance in mind. More likely will be transformed towards version 2 with more power for the corporations.

>now the notch.

I was going along with you until this. I'm quite happy with the upcoming notch on the new MBP. If I can get extra height out of my screen by the height of the menu bar, then I consider that a win. My current menu bar contains nothing in the center where the notch will be, so I am losing nothing. The gain in screen height will be most welcome.

Be happy.:)

This is my use-case. I am sure that even designers will adapt, just because.

It works for you, but I cannot live with this abomination in my face, the gain in screen height is removed when you use your app in full-screen. I have a very sensitive eyes, this is part of my main workflow as a designer. When designing my eyes are all over the screen and this shape will attract attention even when is "hidden" by os.

But I totally understand, when coding I rarely look above the horizontal line of the screen (my favorite short-key: C-l).

P.S. There is another reason: I am spoiled from years of using nearly flawless Apple products, I cannot tolerate such design imperfection.

> the gain in screen height is removed when you use your app in full-screen.

But then you've lost nothing from the previous Macbook, right? And as far as I can tell without seeing one of the new ones live, it'll just look the same as the old bezel in full-screen - a thick black strip across the top, no?

Some analogy popped in my mind.

Imagine you have a sports car with beautiful design and powerful engine. You love it, but you want the new model, because you hope that you can cover the corners of the track with more speed and control.

The new model is here. You will have everything new, with one caveat. You can only use the full potential on the straight parts of the track. In the corners you will have the speed and control of the older model.

Then why buy the new model?

Because despite the very small gain in speed and control being only usable on the straight parts, you still get less fuel consumption, more speed in general, better aesthetics, the pedals and the steering wheel feel nicer and are more responsive, the seats are more comfy, the engine runs cooler and more silently, should I go on?

If with all of these you're still holding on to the old model, then that one is probably good enough for you and indeed you have no reason to buy the new one. That doesn't say anything about the new model, but says a lot about the old one and your needs and priorities. :)

Exactly.:)

That's why I stated: Use-case UX. Everything is a compromise. This is one that I cannot make.

And I am not alone in this. As a design driven company Apple should known better. And the better compromise is: the notch is there because of Face ID. Not because somewhere in the future it will be.

It is not. It is a f-in web-cam.

Someone stated that "there is no way to do a web cam without the notch". Can you imagine? And this is HN.:)

Using enormous "love & brand addiction" to sneak something on the user reminded me about iPhone 4 - "You are holding it wrong" fiasco. I remember clearly that a lot of people tried to convince me that I am wrong in my decision "not to buy".:)

Yep, and you're free to not purchase this model if it doesn't fit your needs.

> And the better compromise is: the notch is there because of Face ID.

The notch has nothing to do with FaceID. It's for the webcam. FaceID can exist without a notch just the same and no-FaceID. All it needs is to waste the area around the notch with a bezel, like the older models. As a rock climber who every few days has trouble unlocking the computer with TouchID, I also want FaceID on my Mac.

> Someone stated that "there is no way to do a web cam without the notch".

I mean, that's obviously untrue since we've had webcams in laptops for many years without notches. The more correct statement would be that you cannot reduce the bezel further than the vertical size of the webcam without a notch - or a retractable webcam like some laptops have (I wouldn't want that moving part on my MacBook though).

> reminded me about iPhone 4 - "You are holding it wrong" fiasco.

The notch is an aesthetic thing. The iPhone 4 antenna thing actually made the device unusable as a phone. I don't see how these are related.

In any case, I am fairly certain there will be (either as part of the OS or as a 3rd party add-on) an option to make the top stripe permanently black and out of the usable screen eventually. If I'm right about this, everybody wins - extra space for those who don't mind the notch, regular 16:10 screen for the ones offended by it.

It is hilarious, because Android phones already exist with under screen cameras. You'd think a company that is supposedly as spectacular as Apple claims to be would be on top of this tech.

It seems like things are looking up as they keep releasing things where Ive is no longer mucking things up.

The notches are cute, I still want an OG iPhone X for kicks. FWIW it's also standard 16:10 when the notch is blacked out, which they can do nicely thanks to the MiniLED.

As a curiosity what are you buying nowadays?

I have a 4-year-old iPhone 10 Because I'm equally unhappy with Google as Apple.

I have an Alienware laptop that I absolutely DESPISE because the MacBooks were a joke at the time I needed a laptop. Fundamentally I have a problem with Apple soldering wear items and replaceable parts to the motherboard. But the Alienware is just unreliable. But, so were the butterfly keyboards of the MacBooks.

Have you seen these laptops: https://frame.work/?

Yea. Louis Rossman gave them a glowing review. They will probably be my next purchase.

My solution is to invest more in custom PC builds (for the company) and after my recently refurbished MacBook Pro (2013/core i7/16gb ram/500 gb ssd/all the ports/ Manjaro) dies - Framework laptop.

By using a laptop as a mobile computer and dedicated powerful PC as a desktop I actually can ignore Apple chip advancements.

On a smartphone level, my personal solution is to use flip phone for calls and DeGoogled Android for necessary apps.

In the next 3 years I plan to move to Talos workstation (https://bit.ly/3lY6fpc).

> On a more different level of thought, we as consumers rarely take a moment to think about the implications of creating a monopolistic monsters and how this relates to our future as a professionals or individuals.

I would paraphrase "rarely take a moment to think about" with "actively ignore" here. At least that is my experience with most people whenever I bring such topics up.

I don't get the title here ("Apple sends DMCA takedown for IP address"). From my read of the tweet ("I've just received a DMCA takedown notice regarding the GitHub mirror of these documents"), they sent a takedown for the documentation that someone downloaded and then uploaded to GitHub. The DMCA takedown has nothing to do with an IP address.

And I think it's pretty uncontroversial that downloading some company's stuff and posting it somewhere else (without permission) would constitute copyright infringement. Just because you have access to something, it doesn't mean you have a license to do whatever you please with it.

The DMCA notice can be found here https://lumendatabase.org/notices/25498447 which includes an IP address (along with some tweets).

Looks like the IP is a twitter.com one, or possible GitHub's. Either way, it has essentially nothing to do with the copyright claim.

The IP address is owned by a company out of China. It's hosting (it still apparently is) some internal Apple documents for whatever reason. Apple (or someone acting for Apple) sent a takedown to Twitter to remove any links to the IP address.

It's a confusing mess, but since the DMCA notice is public, anyone can still go visit the documents.

At least until the little server it's on goes poof.

It’s the IP where all the documents are from. Apparently Apple or Apple-related.

Ah, thanks! The title is wildly wrong, then.

Apparently one of the tweets taken down was just a link to it

Numbers are now illegal, like 101 132 96 154!

It is cool that they use Lua for the debugger.

> they sent a takedown for the documentation

TFA seems to be referring to http://101.132.96.154/:

> What is Atlas?

> Atlas is a toolbox of common software components for the development of calibration and test stations. Atlas is not an out-of-the-box sequencer; Atlas provides the tools and building blocks to build many types of sequencers.

I'm not sure I'd call that "documentation" given how vague-to-the-point-of-uselessness it is, though.

    local path = "/usr/local/lua/lib/libluasocket.so"
    -- or path = "C:\\windows\\luasocket.dll"
    local f = assert(loadlib(path, "luaopen_socket"))
    f()  -- actually open the library

The title is refering this tweet[0]. The OP had a tweet with just the IP adress, and that tweet was DMCA'd.

[0] https://mobile.twitter.com/RayRedacted/status/14509454451995...

Had the same reaction. I must be missing something, or MAYBE this person has an axe to grind.

The website with the data is still up

http://101.132.96.154

You should be ashamed of this blatant copyright infringement. As the author of several large numbers, such as 126972017 and 2331855400, I am shocked that you would treat my fellow creators this way.

Waiting for IBM to sue GRUB for using their copyrighted number 0xAA55

> As the 'author' of several large numbers, such as 126972017 and 2331855400

Piss off, copyright troll.

There’s a long history of copyrighted numbers, from 2001 to 8675309. If you don’t believe 1984 is under copyright, I suggest you read up on George Orwell.

Yeah but loading slowly... archive.org to the rescue: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://101.132.96.154/\*

(hn mangles the URL, shortened: https://bit.ly/3aXqwVK)

https://web.archive.org/web/%2a/http://101.132.96.154/%2a

I had a quick browse. I don't get the big deal about this. Sure, it probably shouldn't be in the open, and http, but then what's in there that's actually dangerous to them? I found it an easy read, well written. As for the depth of the content, I have no idea if it's actually good doco.

It either got hug of deathed or just had the plug pulled :(

Still up for me, but it loaded slow.

It just loaded here for me.

The DMCA needs reform, but it will never happen. All-to-often it's used as a tool to just take down stuff people don't like.

People don't care about the "penalty of perjury" part because nobody enforces it.

What's the solution? Even if there was one, would Congress actually enact it?

Fix requirements:

## Specific claims must be made. ## Those claims should require Standing be shown and documented. ## The claims should be made in an office run by a court of law and would ## require sufficient identity verification to arrest anyone who purgers.

Congress will fix this issue about the same time as the universe experiences heat death.

>purgers

I believe you're looking for "perjures". Perjury is the act of swearing a false oath or affidavit.

A purgery is (as I have just learned) the part of a sugar house where molasses is removed ("purged", hence the name) during processing. Neat!

Solution: Roll it back and fuck copyright holders. Let them bite their teeth out trying to enforce it.

Real world observation has shown DCMA requests have been used against individuals and extremely small (1-3 person) corporations. Biting back probably requires having a lawyer at least on contract.

An option to also sue for damages might be worth adding, mostly as a political bluster point. Sending someone to spend time in JAIL for purger is the real deterrent.

Let people sue for damages and attorney fees for false dmca notices. Issue will solve itself. Blatant copyright theft will still be taken down. Fair use or claiming copyright on public domain materials won’t be.

Speculation that a Foxconn employee posted Apple's internal documentation. Alibaba Cloud shows as the IP owner...

  inetnum: 101.132.0.0 - 101.133.255.255
  netname: ALISOFT
  descr: Aliyun Computing Co., LTD
  descr: 5F, Builing D, the West Lake International Plaza of S&T
  descr: No.391 Wen'er Road, Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China, 310099
  country: CN
  admin-c: ZM1015-AP
  tech-c: ZM877-AP
  tech-c: ZM876-AP
  tech-c: ZM875-AP
  abuse-c: AC1601-AP
  status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
  mnt-by: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
  mnt-irt: IRT-CNNIC-CN
  last-modified: 2021-06-16T01:29:34Z
  source: APNIC

The sort of behavior we've come to expect from Apple.

Incompetent and scummy is what Apple is these days, in a nutshell.

Last three iOS releases were such that it seemed they got rid of their entire QA division and decided the releases to be tested in production by the public.

15 so far seems better and stable but it’s barely 15. It’s not even 14.1, it is something like 14.05.

The sort of behavior people capable of pattern recognition have come to expect from any corporation. But I'm sure the next supposedly-not-evil corporation (Cloudflare, maybe?) will totally be legit, right?

> This Tweet from @illusionofcha0s has been withheld in response to a report from the copyright holder.

Whoa. They're not messing around.

A pitiful display of corporate power.

The duality of Apple is rather remarkable. They are among the most brilliant organizations of the modern world, and simultaneously one of the most incompetent (speaking both of this event and other times working with Apple teams).

heh. It's almost like the company employs more than one person!

Many different organizational cultures within the massive mothership org. Yet still remarkable that this famously top-down controlling and highly organized company doesn’t address some of these blatant and persistent shortcomings.

Okay, so could someone explain it to me in simple terms what actually Atlas is and what it's used for in practice? The description is quite vague.

Apple uses Lua (the language without batteries included).

In this particular case, anyway.

> Apple uses Lua. Not Python, not Go, not Rust, ...

https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200267216/full-stack-so...

Is this relevant or something?

DMCA takedown is an interesting way of spelling Streisand effect.

How does that random Tweet correspond to the title of this post?

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