Leaded fuel reduced IQ of children born before 1990
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99 years ago the League of Nations signed a treaty banning indoor leaded paint. The US, of course, declined to join and it took another 50 years before it took action. Concerns were raised about leaded gasoline, industry steamrolled the science.
And it was just a couple of months ago that the final country (Algeria) stopped producing leaded consumer road fuel.
For a good history see
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/secret-history-lea...
[0] An Update on Childhood Lead Poisoning https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5645046/
As many as 500,000 US children (2.5%) under 6 years have BLLs ≥5 µg/dL. Each lead-exposed child costs an estimated $5600 in medical and special educational services.7 Lead exposure-related cognitive impairments cost an estimated $50.9 billion annually in lost US economic productivity.6
a) Leaded aviation fuel, an absolutely KNOWN hazard, has been given a pass for literal DECADES.
b) At some point you have to just put your foot down. Ban the sale leaded gas using planes after 1/1/2022. Grandfather in the old planes.
c) Ban the sale of leaded gas to fill planes with changes in registrations after 1/1/2023.
d) Ban the sale of leaded gas period after 1/1/2025.
Industry has been given (more) than enough time to solve this - and does not care.
I live near an airport, with a pregnant wife and a young child. The total hassle it is to deal with just old lead paint if you try and follow code is rediculous, but they still have planes flying over burning LEADED fuel!! WHY?
Most planes don't need leaded gas. Jet-A / Diesel etc can also be used in planes. And yes, I understand small, old GA planes may be impacted, but this has been on the radar for decades now.
"There is no known safe blood lead concentration; even blood lead concentrations as low as 5 µg/dL may be associated with decreased intelligence in children, behavioural difficulties and learning problems. As lead exposure increases, the range and severity of symptoms and effects also increase."
This comment makes me think you don't actually understand the situation. The vast majority of aviation fuel used IS Jet-A, which does not contain lead.
Small piston engine general aviation aircraft are the only ones that use leaded gas, and most of those can not use anything else that exists currently.
I too have a pregnant wife and a young child, but I worry far, far more about residual lead paint exposure than I do about avgas. Both get tested regularly and show no detectable levels (<2ug/dL), so that makes me feel like the risk exposure is acceptable. Yes, your quote about "no known safe level" is true, but at undetectable levels I'm confident it's in the noise along with all other environmental factors we don't know about.
If you're worried about lead exposure, are you testing?
After decades - does it make public policy sense to still sell NEW planes that REQUIRE leaded gas?
I don't believe so.
Literally every other method of propulsion, some with much stronger claims in terms of life utility, have moved off leaded gas. Ie, the ambulance, the race cars the everything, except GA.
Reality -> GA has a well connected / rich pool of users with influence. If you had a bunch of poor minorities spraying even trace amounts of lead over someone's nice golf course my guess is you'd be getting well off activists to shut you down in no time for environmental or other reasons.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycoming_O-360
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_IO-550
To my knowledge some ultralights use regular unleaded (called MOGAS in some aviation contexts) and of course anything that you can buy an airline ticket for outside of perhaps Alaska will use jet fuel.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas#100LL_(blue) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas#UL94_(formerly_94UL)
Yes, planes 50 years ago -> maybe those were designed for leaded. But the idea that we are selling new planes, today, that "only" run on leaded gas is a farce and goes to show how seriously aviation is taking the transition away from leaded gas (which has been delayed as I've said decades).
At some point you just lose patience.
A measure like this may be reasonable.
But C/D totals the entire piston aircraft fleet-- $50B+ of capital equip, plus the whole infrastructure and industry around it-- for only a very moderate change in lead exposure. Best estimates I've seen is that this would lower the total population burden from lead by well under 5%.
Much more sane, IMO, to put in a progressively escalating tax on leaded aviation fuels that over time becomes steep. Then airplanes can gradually transition as overhauls become due, etc, as the pressure from operating costs mounts. Presumably those burning the most fuel would transition first, and an industry capable of retrofitting a few percent of the aircraft per year would spring up.
Except they can't, since there is no approved alternative.
The other problem is that even planes that can run unleaded gas often don't, because it's not available at the airport. Avgas is a tiny market and because of costs most FBOs can't or won't set up another fuel delivery infrastructure to run two fuels over some short transition period.
Because of this, an additional requirement on a replacement is also that it be safely mixable with 100LL in any ratio, because during the transition period this will happen as people fly from airports where it exists to airports where it doesn't.
This problem is being solved (https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/avgas/).
There's an increasing number of diesel engines for GA aircraft, and supplemental type certificates to retrofit them into the same. If 100LL got more expensive, you'd see more people opting for the diesels when an engine reaches the end of its life.
e.g. http://www.continentaldiesel.com/typo3/fileadmin/_centurion/...
Yes, it'd be really cool to end up with a lower-lead fuel that's safely combined with 100LL. That's been "imminent" for the last 25 years.
The poster above advocates for a "rip off the band-aid" approach. GA advocates for a gradual, painless transition that, in practice, will never happen. Surely there's some middle ground?
That sounds pretty great actually, for such a simple solution.
If you threw a few billion more at leaded paint remediation, I think you'd make much more of a difference. I think the aviation lead problem should get fixed, but because it's such a small part of the overall problem it makes sense to take a graduated approach instead of giving GA businesses the death penalty. Tax leaded aviation fuels, and use the proceeds to pay for leaded paint remediation.
Graduated approach ignores the decades that have ALREADY been provided as an exception to the lead fuel rules that apply everywhere else - it's already been graduated.
Perhaps that's wrong, but I distinctly remember the statistic and it stuck with me.
Or perhaps this is the benefit of having younger people in government. Because 50 year old like me thinks "massive progress made, don't waste time on diminishing returns" by comparing the current situation to the distant past. Whereas someone younger sees the threat differently.
Frankly, the propellor airplanes I do see are mostly military which will likely not be impacted by any regulations. I am also making the assumption only propellor airplanes could be using unleaded gas.
edit: perhaps "all", not "almost all", in the US.
Just awful.
It's amazing that airports aren't required to purchase and relocate the (typically poor) people who are absolutely getting their lifespans shortened by living near an airport.
The question is, given that it's so clearly a poison (maybe a top 10 poison) - why spray it into the air above residential neighborhood?
Lead impacts are around things like "anaemia, hypertension, renal impairment, immunotoxicity and toxicity to the reproductive organs. The neurological and behavioural effects of lead are believed to be irreversible."
Reality is measurable increases in lead concentrations in blood near airports is very small. But does look like it exists.
No Chemtrailer here, btw.
Not only that, industry paid for "science" that hid the dangers. People today however seem to strangely think this doesn't happen anymore.
https://timharford.com/books/worldaddup/
The ultimate cautionary tale here is Darrell Huff’s 1954 classic, How to Lie With Statistics. Huff’s book is clever, insightful, and impish, and it may be the best-selling book about statistics ever written. It is also, from cover to cover, a warning that statistics are all about misinformation, and that one should no more believe in them than in stage magic. Huff ended up testifying at a Senate hearing that the evidence linking smoking and cancer was as spurious as the evidence linking storks and babies. His unpublished sequel, How to Lie With Smoking Statistics, was paid for by a tobacco-lobby group.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/the-conspi...
People are very well aware that the war over what is truth and real continues to be fought. And that it is not merely corporations engaged in it, as control over truth and perception is at the heart of power. "All warfare is based on deception."
https://suntzusaid.com/book/1/18/
As a hint, if one side has a long record of lies, and another a long record of honest relations and owning their errors --- the smart money takes counsel from the second. It's wise to assess one's own sources on this basis from time to time.
The salient characteristic of propaganda is not that it is (entirely) false. It is that it serves a specific interest and agenda rather than being a good-faith, best-effort attempt to convey truth.
It's a fundamental conflict in communications dating at least to Plato and the philosophers vs. the sophists.
Propaganda is most effective when it wraps its intended payload in an attractive, largely truthful message, and acts to nudge its intended targets in a direction they're inclined to go already.
False facts will get caught out. All you can do with an interpretation is argue about it.
It was specifically paid for and used to cast widespread doubt on smoking leading to lung cancer. It tried to convince people that "the science isn't settled" when the evidence was overwhelming.
It's an incredibly disingenuous and cynical piece of work that posits truth does not really exist b/c all "experts" are just lying to you with an agenda. Therefore, you can't ever really know the truth, therefore keep smoking.
I presume he got a bee in his bonnet about statistics at some point, and wrote his 'How to lie with Statistics' and because this became such a hit, it was assumed he know what he was talking about, and hence the interest from the cigarette manufacturers, the senate etc. This in fact was a mistake, and his credentials for appearing for the senate should have been checked.
So, the key take away from the book for me is that Statistics is hard, it's easy to confuse yourself or produce dubious results, but i'd look elsewhere for information about how to avoid pitfalls, and how to spot dubious conclusions beyond the most simplistic manipulation he points out.
That's why my initial stance on COVID vaccines was to be skeptical of the industry claims. This lumped me in with a lot of quacks, and with a political (US) group with whom that I don't normally align much.
It's been a strange few years. At this point, I'm not sure I know how to strike a balance between healthy skepticism and paranoia. Regarding the vaccines, I'm fully vaccinated, as enough time has passed to get me to a place where I think the stats bear it out.
At smaller scales, your power isn’t enough to override the preferences of the masses. Get big enough, and you can.
For example, an experimental vaccine isn't given out widely till there is good data that it is safe (often taking years).
However, for risky diseases (like COVID), as soon as there are even rough indications that it is safer than COVID, it makes sense to give it to everyone. Every month you spend doing more safety tests, millions of people die.
The same is happening right now for malaria treatments which are being trialled. Skipping the trial and handing it out untested will probably save more lives.
How is this an example of “the wrong stats being used to make decisions”? You believe that undergoing safety trials with control groups is a bad thing because they take time?
> However, for risky diseases (like COVID), as soon as there are even rough indications that it is safer than COVID, it makes sense to give it to everyone.
What if we find out several years down the road that the vaccine is causing a drop in IQ, affecting birth rates, etc.? Wouldn’t it have been nice to catch these things during the safety trials before injecting it into billions of people?
"Water conducted through earthen pipes is more wholesome than that through lead; indeed that conveyed in lead must be injurious, because from it white lead [PbCO3, lead carbonate] is obtained, and this is said to be injurious to the human system. Hence, if what is generated from it is pernicious, there can be no doubt that itself cannot be a wholesome body. This may be verified by observing the workers in lead, who are of a pallid colour; for in casting lead, the fumes from it fixing on the different members, and daily burning them, destroy the vigour of the blood; water should therefore on no account be conducted in leaden pipes if we are desirous that it should be wholesome. That the flavour of that conveyed in earthen pipes is better, is shewn at our daily meals, for all those whose tables are furnished with silver vessels, nevertheless use those made of earth, from the purity of the flavour being preserved in them" - Virtuvius VIII.6.10-11
Climate change denialism is the lead poisoning denialism of the modern era. You can actually see the denialism happening in real-time with actual posters here on HN, this is the same way it worked back then, this is how people delude themselves into thinking they're making a scholarly defense of "facts and the scientific process" when in reality they're just buying into industry propaganda designed to play on that instinct.
Nobody need wonder how it might have happened, it's happening right before your own eyes in these very threads.
It's quite disturbing to phrase things this way.
Fuel supplied lead is a 99.86% solved problem which is solving itself.
Congress has been funding a program to develop lead free fuel which can safely power aviation piston engines, it is ongoing. Intermediate results are largely not available because it is required to protect all commercial entities participating. https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/avgas/
Here is a nice article from someone involved in avgas lead removal: https://www.avweb.com/insider/going-to-the-moon-was-easy-com...
Yes, while total use of leaded fuel now makes up a tiny percentage, it is still measurably significant to the people who live in the flight path of a municipal airport.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2021/08/18/reid-hillview-a...
Those aircraft will not disappear, they will just move to SJC a few miles away and pollute just as much.
I seriously doubt that, if the lead was removed overnight, they would change their minds and stop complaining about the airport. This NIMBY fight is older than that.
I feel similarly about my HOA who complains about noise pollution from SJC. The airport predates the houses by decades but now it is suddenly a problem.
There should be far more outrage about lead in avgas than there is today - maybe then the FAA and EPA would stop bickering and issue some new regulation. Noone wants to take responsibility for the monetary damage and possible disasters stemming from the decision to phase out lead, so decades later we are still looking for the perfect avgas replacement.
Meanwhile, European planes are transitioning to other fuels. Either Jet-A or motor gas. Diamond has developed great engines, but when their aircraft are sold in the US, guess which engines they use? People will ask specifically for lead burning Lycoming or Continental. If there was a penalty for doing that, maybe this would change.
The only difference in design besides those oil coolers was their gearbox, which was a joke from day one. Firstly, diesel produces RPMs similar to what a small aircraft propeller wants so even having a gearbox is either a revenue-generating design intended to fail, or an exercise in stupidity. You can tell me which, I honestly don't know.
Nor has Diamond developed great aircraft in other aspects, either. Their stick rather than a yoke design was also a cost-cutter, but no one wants to ride around with a piece of metal hitting them in the balls, either. Socata and Cirrus did a much better job of interior design than Diamond, which is why they're still making ever-more-complex airplanes, and Diamond is flirting with bankruptcy.
The solution to general aviation getting rid of leaded gas is someone to make small turbines, and the only thing holding that back is the FAA.
I am not qualified to comment on the need of the gearbox. I would suspect that neither are you.
> their stick rather than a yoke design was also a cost-cutter, but no one wants to ride around with a piece of metal hitting them in the balls, either.
The large numbers of people flying RV10s seem to disagree. Diamond doesn't have a monopoly on the center stick. Passengers may not like the floor mounted stick, but pilots? Meh. The passenger stick is removable on the DA42 and 62.
You can't seriously take a Diamond Twinstar and tell me that's not a great aircraft.
> The solution to general aviation getting rid of leaded gas is someone to make small turbines
Right, I can picture it right now, a C172 with a turbine engine. Maintenance and fuel requirements aren't even in the same league, no matter how small this turbine is.
As shown elsewhere in this thread, the lead-free, drop-in replacement has been approved.
A giant aircraft requires a giant amount of fuel, a giant runway and a pilot who has spent a whole lot of hours flying non-commercially. Without GA and small planes, we might also not have sustainable commercial-aviation.
My CFI took off to go work for the airlines because of increased demand several months ago. Without GA he may not have had an opportunity to stay with aviation at all. One can not learn everything needed to fly an aircraft in a simulator.
Source: I fly at KRHV
When I was doing my research on ULPower engines (which can burn 100LL, but they would prefer non-leaded), there were very few airports who offered unleaded fuel (UL94). I think, San Carlos / KSQL was the only one I found?
I wonder what KRHV closure would mean for unleaded fuel? So everybody would just switch back to 100LL? How is that supposed to help?
Wouldn't be more practical (from the point of lead pollution) to enforce non-leaded fuels in those small airports instead? My cursory research shows that lot (?) of these light planes (and, perhaps, the majority of the trainer/weekend hobby aircrafts) would happily burn non-leaded fuel (UL94, for instance), with corresponding STC.
Definitely. It solves one problem.
It doesn't solve the "this airport takes space that could be used for parking lots" problem.
Ironically, "protecting commercial interests" is why the whole lead fuel catastrophe came to be.
Essentially hobby aviation is completely stuck in the 1970s and getting the engines modernized would be "cost prohibitive".
Since wealthy people still want to play around in planes they get to rain lead on our heads.
The wealthy are in jets or turbo props which don't use leaded gas.
Then the super-rich can continue to fly, paying the nation for the economic and health effects they're causing, but regular hobbyists will have to ground their planes till unleaded avgas is available.
Should be easy-ish to enforce, because planes and flight plans are registered, and anyone paying no tax and flying a lot ought to be easy to catch.
'Hobbyists' have been waiting for lead free avgas for decades. You should just crush their planes while you are at it.
While the super rich do whatever they want? By the way, if you are super-rich, you are probably burning Jet-A anyway, not AVGAS.
The real fix is to just issue the damn regulation and provide some incentives. Engines have to be overhauled and replaced periodically anyways. Make it easier to recertify aircraft, provide a path for aircraft that no longer have the original manufacturer around. Give incentives for small airports to stock on whatever the proposed avgas replacement is until the demand catches up.
> flight plans are registered
No they aren't. No requirement for flight plans in VFR.
If you are proposing such harsh legislation, you should at least try to learn something about the subject matter.
The industry is rapidly trying to move to do two things, 1. remove lead from the fuel, this is noted by other commenters. And 2. Pushing for more electric GA.
Pilots don't exactly like getting their hands covered in lead when they check fuel, much less dumping it into the atmosphere when they fly, but it's still an unfortunate fact of life. Times are absolutely changing though, and the future looks bright.
If banning leaded gas leads to qualified pilot shortage, the industry only has itself to blame for failing to train the people it needs.
Lufthansa at least (and maybe most big euro flag carriers?) runs its own “ab initio” training, where it takes non-pilots and makes them into pilots with a job.
Lufthansa has warned cadets they won’t need to hire for a few years: https://www.businessinsider.com/in-crisis-lufthansa-restruct...
Not sure if there’s a shortage of skilled pilots today as flight counts are still down like 20% in USA vs 2019, and generally a sharper decline elsewhere.
Or having their spark plugs fouled by the same lead.
Drop in replacement, no engine changes, no performance changes, no compatibility issues with storage tanks, pipelines, anything.
They are claiming it will even increase time between overhauls, prolong spark plug life, maybe even increase engine life and require less oil changes.
Seems more costly though. But if the above materializes it might offset the costs too.
That sounds like the holy grail - if more airframes are issued STCs
True. But irrelevant if most aircraft cannot use it.
> That certification helps people convert obsolete aircraft
Obsolete? Is a Cirrus SR-22 obsolete?
> The federal government should outlaw leaded aviation fuels immediately and let the hobby aviation community figure out how to proceed from there.
The government also uses planes. Whole industries use piston planes. And helicopters. Why are you singling out 'hobby' aircraft?
Mind you, experimental aircraft have been able to use unleaded fuels (including automotive gasoline) for a while now. The reason most can't is that there were no fuels certified for use in their aircraft. Certification requirements come from the government, so the government has to fix it.
Yes, the naturally-aspirated SR22 that requires 100LL is obsolete. The turbocharged SR22T that can use unleaded is not.
One of the nice things about having principled beliefs is the ability to unambiguously answer simple questions.
Banning unleaded fuel without a replacement would have been heavy handed and short sighted. The government should be working with industry partners to develop a suitable replacement -- as G100UL was -- and subsidize the fuel costs to make the more expensive replacement the same cost as leaded fuel.
Nobody's disputing that his inventions were awful in the long run for humanity and the Earth but it seems a little harsh to criticise someone for lacking the gift of prophecy. As far as I'm aware we only figured out how harmful CFCs were for the environment in the 1970s for example.
""I'm not taking any chance whatever," Midgley declared. "Nor would I... doing that every day."
"Midgley was - perhaps - being a little disingenuous. He had recently spent several months in Florida, recuperating from lead poisoning." (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40593353)
I believe after that press conference he spent several more months in Europe detoxing. High-concentration exposure was known to be dangerous ("On the Thursday of the week before Midgley's press conference, at a Standard Oil plant in New Jersey, a worker named Ernest Oelgert started hallucinating. By Friday, he was running around the laboratory, screaming in terror. On Saturday, with Oelgert dangerously unhinged, his sister called the police. He was taken to hospital and forcibly restrained. By Sunday, he was dead. Within the week, so were four of his colleagues - and 35 more were in hospital. Only 49 people worked there.") and quite a few people were concerned about long-term, low-level exposures.
"The change in IQ scores has been approximately three IQ points per decade. One major implications of this trend is that an average individual alive today would have an IQ of 130 by the standards of 1910, placing them higher than 98% of the population at that time."
https://ourworldindata.org/intelligence
Personally few things triggers me as older generations bashing younger, everything since ww2 has been easier the older you where and they where the ones raising that younger generation. Bit of typical not-getting-it.
For instance, the Internet's digital distractions and supernormal capacities for cognitive offloading seem to create a non‐ideal environment for the refinement of higher cognitive functions in critical periods of children and adolescents’ brain development. Indeed, the first longitudinal studies on this topic have found that adverse attentional effects of digital multi‐tasking are particularly pronounced in early adolescence (even compared to older teens), and that higher frequency of Internet use over 3 years in children is linked with decreased verbal intelligence at follow‐up, along with impeded maturation of both grey and white matter regions.
http://pictonpsychology.com.au/home-2/assessments/cognitive-...
https://www.reddit.com/r/StopEatingSeedOils/
(And also what others posted: plastic, social media etc.)
But we have small indications (Ramsden 2013, 2016) that too much linoleic acid (an omega-6 fat) could be detrimental. At the same time, canola and corn oil are rich in it and aren't correlated with higher risk of death in big observational studies.
Seed oils are probably not as bad as some fear, given that we don't see increased deaths associated with it in observational studies. But you might as well use olive oil (for more omega-3 fat) instead if you can afford it.
- for Americans, the numerous wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and in other countries - not to mention 9/11 itself which hit right as many of my generation were in childhood and old enough to understand what is going on in the news
- the financial crisis 2008ff which will leave those who graduated around it with lifetime lower earnings (https://www.pymnts.com/economy/2020/millennials-facing-secon...)
- for the Europeans, the Euro crisis not soon after, same effect if not worse, given the devastation it caused in Southern Europe / PIIGS states
- for Europeans, dealing with the refugees that all the wars in Africa and Asia caused, culminating in the 2015ff migration crisis
- worldwide, anyone not completely ignorant already sees the catastrophic effects of climate change and the utter inaction of our politicians. We see that the world is figuratively speeding with 200 km/h against a rapidly upcoming brick wall, we see that instead of applying the brakes, the 1% of rich and elites instead maxes out the throttle, and we know that we are going to take the beginning of its effects in 30 years and our children face the full impact. Old people complain why the youngest are on strike on Fridays instead of going to school - well, they are aware that no amount of education can help them if the planet is nearing inhabitability!
- and on top of that, we have a new crisis looming in the form of Russia destabilizing Western governments by propaganda and cyberwars, and China taking parts right out of the NSDAP playbook and acting like a schoolyard bully in the Pacific region all the way to Australia.
- did I already mention that my and the later generations will face significantly less earnings than the generation of Boomers, and that income and wealth inequality also has risen constantly over the last decades?
- as a result, home ownership is ever more inachievable, in contrast to our parents we have to regularly be on the move and uproot ourselves (thus, losing our meatspace social network) every couple of years because the only way to achieve wage raises is to move companies
- and on top of all of what I mentioned, we have the aftermath of the Covid crisis that showed just how fundamentally broken our societies and economies are, how incompetent and reckless our politicians are, how utterly ignorant politics and society acted when it came to the needs of the young (we sacrificed our youth for the at-risk population, and got rewarded with anti-vaxxers and police smashing outdoor parties as a thank-you), that wrecked entire economies beyond belief and many of us lost people held dearly under sometimes egregious circumstances!
All of this is a permanent mental load, in some cases (especially when it comes to Covid) we are crossing into trauma territory. I'm seriously interested in the first psychological research dealing with stress influence of the last two decades.
Edit: I know, through the eyes of an 8 year old. My city was a target of the U.S. nuclear missiles, so the I had the same fear. Saw nuclear exposions all the time in my dreams.
Do you think, that having been through Cold-war era conditioning and propaganda, that you're sort of sensitized to the "modern Russia tropes"? I ask because, well Russia seems like a shithole. A sort of noncompete on the global scale outside their natural resource stockpiles, but the US demagogues seem to like to point fingers there and I see it as more or less a propaganda tool. I suspect it's aimed at the generations that experienced the cold war, but I'm inducing hard.
The situation changed ever so slightly after 1985, culminating in dissolution of USSR. Good riddance!
And now the same forces - or new incarnation of the same forces - are working again to create that image of an absolute enemy - on both sides. It's just so easy.
The parent commenter relates that they were 8 years old and not a missile identification expert at that age; but stressed about by something that actually was a realistic fear.
I think it's basically laughable to suggest that millennials have experienced more stress than earlier generations. (Not that it matters, but I'm an older millennial myself.)
Now, it genuinely might be the case that millennials are subjectively more "stressed out" than their predecessors, but that's a different claim. It's a claim I don't have any trouble believing, but the cause is likely widespread access and attention to negative stressors (via social media, for example), not the existence of a greater number of them.
Do you really believe that? That Earth will be uninhabitable within the lifetime of a person alive today? Or their grandchildren? No climate scientists argue anything remotely close to that outcome.
For people in Africa threatened by heat and drought (which is already making places uninhabitable and causing migration!) and smaller islands, yes.
I think about them from a Policy stand point, I may recycle or by a sustainable product because I know about climate change, but I am not stressed over climate change
I am not stressed over wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, I oppose them from a policy stand point, I am sad and empathetic for the lives lost needlessly.
Even COVID, did not cause me any stress. I looked at the data, I isolated myself when appropriate, wore a mask when appropriate, and got vaccinated when appropriate I did not have an existential crisis of the mind where I was in fear that I was going to die, not at any point in the pandemic. Certainly not to the point where I have seen others be; out on the street screaming @ people that did not conform to societal or government demands or claiming those people are a "threat" to my life.
So I honestly have no frame of reference for people that have this "permanent mental load" where all of these things cause them soo much stress that is impacts their life.
Yes some conservatives have a greater reaction to 9/11, and seem to be more suspectable to external threats / rhetoric like Islamic terrorism, china, russia, etc.
However when it comes to things like the pandemic, or internal threats like domestic terrorism, or "Trump" like presidents, etc liberals seems to become just as unhinged and stressed as the most extreme conservative does over an Islamic Terror event...
If you are not seeing that likely because you are more closely aligned with one group over the other.
I am close to neither, as I am more an individualist and reject any type of collectivism from religion, to government structures, to golf clubs, if it is a group I want no part of it
>Yes some conservatives have a greater reaction to 9/11, and seem to be more suspectable to external threats / rhetoric like Islamic terrorism, china, russia, etc.
So which is it? :)
>If you are not seeing that likely because you are more closely aligned with one group over the other.
Well I'm in the UK which is a completely different world when it comes to politics. Even then I don't really identify with either of the main parties, I could pick issues that I align with from both sides.
>If you are not seeing that likely because you are more closely aligned with one group over the other.
Yet you reacted when I mentioned conservatives.
>I am close to neither, as I am more an individualist and reject any type of collectivism from religion, to government structures
That sounds fairly conservative to me.
Later in his early twenties my father was drafted. They also spent time doing bomb drills in elementary school because of the cold war, nuclear fallout was an actual worry.
>did I already mention that my and the later generations will face significantly less earnings than the generation of Boomers, and that income and wealth inequality also has risen constantly over the last decades?
I do worry about rising wealth inequality, but that is largely a factor of deficit spending and needing the fed to print money causing wealth transfer to the upper class. Unfortunately, most young people are all for the government spending even more money for various things which will only exacerbate the issue.
>(we sacrificed our youth for the at-risk population),
I dunno, the largest cohort of covid positive cases has always been the 20-30 age group by far.
The issue is not the amount of money that is spent; the issue is for what the money is spent. So many articles discussing the current bills in Congress simply stating the amounts of money that are allocated in aggregate with little if any discussion of the specific amounts within the bill. My skeptical mind thinks this is purposely done to mislead the public.
Only the dead have seen the end of war. As far as stress on a populace goes, anyone my age (50) or younger has had it pretty easy. My parents' generation had to deal with the possibility of getting drafted to fight in Vietnam. My grandparents' generation had to deal with the much higher possibility that they were going to have to fight in World War II. A 20 year old trying to get some sleep because in the morning he is going to have to storm the beaches of Normandy, that's some stress. What my generation dealt with, stressful sure, but not as much.
>> the financial crisis
There's always going to be another financial crisis. My grandparents grew up during the Great Depression. The 70s had stagflation. I first learned how to freak out about the stock market in the late 90s. There was the 2008 financial crisis, and after that there was the longest economic expansion in US history. Do people just wipe that part out of their memories? Out of all of it, I would pick anything but the Great Depression.
>> anyone not completely ignorant already sees the catastrophic effects of climate change
When I was young, it was overpopulation, then a coming ice age, then ozone and acid rain, then global warming. If you look at what the scientists are actually predicting, it is that we will be much better off at the end of the century but not as much better off as if we had taken more action now.
>> we have a new crisis looming in the form of Russia destabilizing Western governments by propaganda and cyberwars
When I was a young teen, I seriously believed I would die in a nuclear war before I was 18. Now people are freaking out about Russia trolling people on the internet.
>> did I already mention that my and the later generations will face significantly less earnings than the generation of Boomers
Boomers started in what, 1946? In 1950, one third of the households in the US didn't have indoor plumbing. And you're jealous of them.
>> home ownership is ever more inachievable
The home ownership rate is lower than it was in 2000, higher than it was in 1990, around the same as it was in 1980, and higher than it was in 1970. Rental affordability is a little lower than in the past, mortgage affordability much higher (due to low interest rates). People change jobs less than they used to and they move less than they used to. Not really seeing peak stress here.
Sure, Covid was stressful for some people. Not for me, it's been the least stressful year and a half of my life. I don't see the whole fundamentally broken part. If you had told me that there was going to be a global pandemic that pretty much shut down the US economy for a time, I would have thought it would have turned out worse than it did.
Beyond that, given rural areas have been subject to over a century of severe brain-drain and intelligence is fairly heritable, I'd expect that to overwhelm any benefits of country living, if you tried to measure the effect for a general rural population. You'd need a twin study or something like that to sort it all out, i.e. a bunch of twins where one grew up in the country, one in the city or 'burbs or whatever you're comparing it to.
*reduced to max level to 90 ppm
Lead wasn't simply some trace component of paint, but was up to half by weight (dried), or 500,000 ppm in the US (and probably comparable if not worse elsewhere:
White house paint contained up to 50% lead before 1955. Federal law lowered the amount of lead allowable in paint to 1% in 1971. In 1977, the Consumer Products Safety Commission limited the lead in most paints to 0.06% (600 ppm by dry weight). Since 2009, the lead allowable in most paints is now 0.009%. Paint for bridges and marine use may contain greater amounts of lead.
https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/leadtoxicity/safety_standards...
Leaded petrol had on the order of 0.5 -- 1 g/l lead, again, not trace amounts, which were discharged directly into the air. Much settled out relatively quickly, within a few hundred metres, as lead is heavy. Still, lead permeated cities and land adjoining roadways and expressways. And still does. Remediation is expensive, natural remediation takes centuries.
At 90 ppm, India's regulations seem to impose a maximum upper bound, and controls for incidental introduction. Given that total elimination is impossible, setting a maximum standard.
The US standard is also 90 ppm:
https://www.cpsc.gov/Business--Manufacturing/Business-Educat...
All quality standards are specified on some acceptable deviation. The goal is to not exceed the standard.
Equipment, water supply, source materials, packaging, extant air containation (if in an area in which, say, leaded fuels remain in use), etc., might all contribute to trace contamination. If you have an interest in the reasoning / conditions, rulemaking hearings and evidence likely refer to this.
I'm not about to dive into this, but if you have a genuine interest, the US regulation is in 16 CFR 1303.1, created in 1977, amended in 2008. Hearings reports are likely available and will have scientific, industry, and public-interest statements.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-II/subchapter-...
No one is a saint. Regulating away all the hobbies out there to minimize the impact would probably result in some sort of violent revolution, if it could even be done.
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2021/july/27/ga...
This is a little unfair, but only very little. The engines are primitive by modern standards because the company is wildly conservative in their design philosophy. The engines are quite reliable if run within their design envelope and maintained according to the manual, but it requires considerably more maintenance per operation hour than a modern car engine and most modern car engines are even more reliable when properly maintained.
But that would be unjust. Imagine your car suddenly gets outlawed.
Cessna 172 (trainer plane, not known for efficiency) burns 32 l (8.5 lb) per hour at a cruising speed of 122 knots (140 mph, 226 kph). Assuming no wind, it gives mileage of 14 l / 100 km (16.5 miles per gallon).
Taking into account that there are much less planes than cars, they emit 0.13% of all the CO2, emitted by transportation, comparing to 81% of motor vehicles (623 times less) [1]. So I would say their lead emissions are too low to bother (and mostly harm their owners who are close to the exhausts). Would be nicer, of course, to use unleaded, but not a big deal to lobby for legislations.
[1] https://communicatescience.com/zoonomian/tag/cessna-172/
The difference is that new gasoline planes can work with unleaded.
You are underinformed. Most Cessna owners I know, are middle-income fanatics, usually co-owning a single plane.
Cash for clunkers sort of thing.
If you plan to have kids there, the test might be worth it for your peace of mind. If there are no kids I would not bother.
- Which way does the prevailing wind blow? (Toward your prospective house, or away?)
- If the airport had leaky underground storage tanks, in which directions might the gas (& lead) seep?
> children living within 1.5 miles of the Reid-Hillview Airport have elevated levels of lead in their blood, and that the problem gets much worse for those who live closer to or downwind from the airport. > ...children under the age of 18 living close to Reid-Hillview had blood lead levels over 1.8 micrograms per deciliter. In 3.2% of the children surveyed, that number was as high as 3.5 micrograms, and in 1.7% of children it was 4.5 micrograms. Average baseline lead levels in children across the U.S. are closer to 0.84 micrograms.
https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2021/08/06/new-study-finds-l...
> As many as 500,000 US children (2.5%) under 6 years have BLLs ≥5 µg/dL. Each lead-exposed child costs an estimated $5600 in medical and special educational services.7 Lead exposure-related cognitive impairments cost an estimated $50.9 billion annually in lost US economic productivity.6
But before that, it seems that Diesel had started getting popular in the 80s and 90s.
Having said that, a lot of countries do a poor job of lead control/monitoring in plumbing/water distribution.
> There is growing evidence that the scale of problems with lead in drinking water has been under-estimated in Europe, due to inadequate monitoring. Particularly in the older districts of towns and cities, where lead pipes can be common
https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/sites/default/files/Hoekstra%202010...
It’s quite a rabbit hole to go through. Distribution pipes, pH, corrosion control, service lines, internal piping, leaching for PVC even, interior fittings, flow rates, consumption patterns…
This also applies to handling or reloading ammo. Primers are lead-based compounds (generally lead styphnate) and most bullets are either soft lead or jacketed lead. If you are handling ammo, bullets, or spent casings, wash your hands after.
There is obviously a continuum of exposure and different routes of exposure here. Lead on your hands isn't ideal but if you don't touch your face or eat with dirty hands, kinda whatever. With smoke, you breathe it in simply by being there. You definitely want to look at the airflow on an indoor range, there should be a considerable amount of "whoosh" and palpable airflow, and even then it's probably still a low or moderate amount of exposure. Outdoors ranges will have even less exposure, but probably still not zero, you're still right near the breech.
And yeah generally kids are more susceptible to lead exposure than adults. Not that it's great for adults but it will truly mess up your development to get significant exposure as a child.
"orange lava soap" with the pumice in it is also better than just regular hand soap, as it's more abrasive and will do a better job scraping the lead off.
In Canada you could be licenced to shoot outdoors on your own property (e.g. PAL + non-restricted firearm), but not be allowed to use the area habitually, or repeatedly as that would make it a shooting range. It seems like having a shooting gallery or plinking spot with persistent targets would fail the test.
I do a lot of shooting and avoid indoor ranges. They are so contaminated there are many cases of cops coming home and poisoning their kids due to contamination on clothing, shoes, etc.
I personally buy "clean fire" ammo, which has no exposed lead core on the bullet, and has clean burning primers. More expensive, but I like to keep my brain healthy, and I have kids that could easily get exposed.
So, while electric cars might not be the perfect ecological solution, it might at bring us direct health benefits in the long run.
"The Secret History of Lead" (Nation, original gone) [https://web.archive.org/web/20090208070616/https://www.thena...]
The part I'll never forget reading (page 2):
"For this reason, most of the estimated 7 million tons of lead burned in gasoline in the United States in the twentieth century remains--in the soil, air and water and in the bodies of living organisms. Worldwide, it is estimated that modern man's lead exposure is 300 to 500 times greater than background or natural levels."
"Specifically, children from low SES families scored on average 6 IQ points lower at age 2 than children from high SES backgrounds; by age 16, this difference had almost tripled. ... Overall, SES was shown to be associated with individual differences in intercepts as well as slopes of intelligence. However, this finding does not warrant causal interpretations of the relationship between SES and the development of intelligence." [1]
[1] Socioeconomic status and the growth of intelligence from infancy through adolescence https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4641149/
> Two beliefs became entrenched:
1. that lead is natural to the human body, and
2. that a poisoning threshold for lead existed
Robert Kehoe, working for GM, was the chief advocate for leaded gasoline, and really the only person/lab doing research on lead until Clair Patterson stumbled into it while measuring the age of the earth. [0,1]
A modern equivalent might be if Facebook was the only organization researching social media's impact on society, while being able to set the paradigm/assumptions about said safety for half a century.
So even when Patterson's research was published in 1965, it took time to change the paradigm, and more time to phase out lead's use.
Should anyone want to read a narrative about the intertwined lives of Midgley, Patterson, Kehoe and lead, then this Mental Floss article is a good read. [2]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Kehoe
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_Cameron_Patterson#Campai...
[2] https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/94569/clair-patterson-sc...
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/heavy...
Nope. Many developing countries still had it by 2001, and only started banning after international campaign from the UN [1].
Can someone explain how you can be exposed to lead from « leaded gasoline » even if they are not used anymore?
Is it contaminating the city water or something like that?
> The lead content in that study was measured in particles collected either at the roadside or at rooftop height. The chemical fingerprint closely matched that of road dust and top soils, suggesting that contaminated soil is acting as a reservoir for 20-year old lead pollution, which is continually returned to the atmosphere when disturbed. The fact that lead found at street and building height shared the same chemical signature suggests airborne lead pollution is fairly well mixed across London.
But unless I eat dirt from the side of the road or drink rain water I should be fine ?
In this regard you still have lead present in the air in varying degrees 20 years after it stopped being introduced. The report cites 2% of 1990 levels nearly 20 years after it was outlawed.
Leaded fuel for passenger cars was banned in the US in 1996; the usual birth year range for millenials is 1981-1996.
Gen Z were the first to be born, in the US, with unleaded gas.
But of course all this is dependent on the amount of exposure which is individual.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11781032/a-landmark-lawsuit-aimed-...
A lowering trend of IQs over the years means a lot more than one random person taking a test.
We call it people born around 1980.
Xennials[1]. I've also heard "elder millennial".
I remain tentatively skeptical of "saving" features in video games. They may be one of the great social ills of our time. Going back to the beginning if you lose may have been a healthy kind of frustrating.
1901 - 1927 Greatest Generation
1928 - 1945 Silent Generation
1945 - 1963 Me Generation aka. Baby Boomers
1964 - 1980 Generation X aka. Thirteeners
1980 - 1997 Generation Y aka. Millennials
1997 - 2010 Generation Z aka. Centennials
Edit: doh, should have clicked on your link. That was the article.