Comment by asimpletune | Hacker News Reader

Comment by asimpletune | Hacker News Reader

So, as far as I can tell, they listened to every single complaint people had about the last generation of pro Macs. These are in every meaning of the word pro machines. Now, they're so pro, I can't imagine why anyone would need one, unless they do multi-media professionally, or work exclusively in Xcode.

I can't even believe they compromised on size and weight in order to deliver something more pro. It's a complaint I've been hearing for years, how people would gladly accept a bigger laptop if it were a "true" pro machine. Well, wishes granted.

Edit: (quick comparison in thickness and weight) Previous MB Pros were (respectively):

* 15.49mm/1.49kg

* 16.51mm/1.95kg

New M1 Pro Macs are:

* 15.49mm/1.65kg

* 16.67mm/2.1kg (or 2.2kg for the "max")

So, 0 and 160um thickness change, or around two human hairs thicker.

And 160g and 150g weight change, or one iPhone mini heavier. One iPhone Pro Max heavier for the for "max" version.

Personally, I don't think I would notice.

Unfortunately, they compromised on price. A 16GB version is immediately 3000€ in Europe, which is a lot for a less well-off area than USA.

I just compared some prices in Italy.

* Lowest spec 14 inch MBP (16/512 GB) 2349€

* 15 inch XPS, i9, 16/512 GB, RTX 3050 Ti, maxed out screen (with Windows Home, heh) - 2849€, this computer is a joke compared to what we can expect from even the cheapest 14 MBP

* For a bit more fairer comparison, an XPS 17, i9 16/512 GB, RTX 3060, maxed screen (still with Windows Home) - 3549€, but even this probably can't hold a candle to the cheapest 14 MBP

For reference, an almost maxed out 16 MBP (4 TB disk, instead of 8) is 5559€, a maxed out 17 inch XPS 4999€. I think Apple has been more than fair with prices in this case. These machines are usually bought as tools, a business expense, it's not much in the grand scheme of things.

I would love to see you provide a link to a laptop with comparable specs to the 14" MBP at a cheaper price.

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