Amazon Corretto JDK
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28821316
and skip the site altogether.
Use a JDK that contains the features you want and is from a vendor that gets access to embargoed Java security updates. This matters more for pre-Java 11 as certain vendors backport things like Java Mission Control/Flight Recorder and other performance and debugging features to Java 8. Post Java 11 the feature sets of the various vendors are roughly equal with much more minimal diversity.
For the most part they are generally equal. The determining factor depending on your org size might be your capacity to pay for support and your tendency to need that support. My pick is Azul but Coretto or any of the others are fine too.
Try make sure you are at least on Java 11 as the Java 8 -> 9 migration was very hairy due to modules. If you are at least on Java 11 then all future upgrades are likely to be very easy in comparison.
Bytecode changes too. Java 9 presents a hard limit for upgrading a lot of older libraries that are using bytecode generation / manipulation.
The origin of "corretto" in that sense are really interesting [0].
[0]: https://punchdrink.com/articles/brief-history-italian-caffe-...
And so it does, at least that's what James Gosling said when he announced Corretto at Devoxx back in 2018.
I looked it up, it looks like it's generally:
1. LTS support - adoptopenjdk doesn't do LTS
2. Patches that come from Amazon that are upstreamed to OpenJDK but appear in Corretto first since, you know, that's where Amazon develops them.
Did I miss anything?
All comes down to who do you trust to build and package something correctly?
"If you already have an AWS Support Plan, Corretto is covered on the same basis as all other supported AWS Services and software." https://aws.amazon.com/corretto/faqs/
All in all, not much different. The last release was a bit of a kerfuffle, as they migrated web sites.
> This is the project and brand name for the binaries that the Eclipse Foundation produces. You can think of these as the successor binaries to AdoptOpenJDK.
The current LTS versions are 8, 11 and 17. Supported platforms include arm32 (Linux), aarch64 (Linux & macOS), x64 (Windows, Alpine & Linux w/ glibc) and x86 (Linux).
I did find some OpenJ9 github site which mentioned they could not provide binaries any more, but I don't really understand why.
0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_Compatibility_Kit
1. https://twitter.com/volker_simonis/status/105261065466907443...
See this Reddit thread for more background:
https://old.reddit.com/r/java/comments/l5m3p6/eclipse_to_hos...
IBM offers OpenJ9 binaries under the Semaru name here: https://developer.ibm.com/languages/java/semeru-runtimes
They don't have TCK, they do their own tests on the builds. But you could probably do such builds yourself, everyone has access to openjdk github repo.
I would call it more like Long Term Build.
So basically we use AWS distro to run tests and build our docker images, and those images use AdoptOpenJDK; which is not ideal, but so far we have been OK.
I think this is a common reason for moving to a particular distribution, but also sad to see. Amazon used to be impartial and independent infrastructure provider but as they ingest more and more software, your infrastructure and software now starts to depend on Amazons software.
According to [1], Amazon Corretor is a OpenJDK build which is:
* maintained by Amazon (back ported bug fixes, patches),
* includes Amazon's custom crypto provider optimized for AWS,
* Optimized builds for Amazon's Linux distro, Amazon Linux 2.
Corretto – No-cost, multiplatform, developer-preview distribution of OpenJDK - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18449506 - Nov 2018 (143 comments)
Source code starts out the exact same, that's why they are all OpenJDK, because they take the source code from the OpenJDK public repository's main branch.
From that point on, they can choose to apply source code patches from OpenJDK that have not yet been merged into the main branch, or they could apply their own source code patches. Those patches often will be security fixes, or backported features. Here you have to understand that there is only one main branch of Java. So if you want security fixes or new features but are still on say Java 8, someone has to pull the old commit that was tagged Java 8 and selectively cherry pick a bunch of commits afterwards to apply over it that retrofits all security fixes and possibly a few select new features (like say some performance improvements patches). And if you've ever had to do a cherry pick merge on old code, you know it can be tricky and sometimes there are conflicts and maybe you even need to manually resolve them.
And even if they are not grabbing the source from an older tagged version commit, but are grabbing it from the latest tagged commit (so as of this writing Java 17), well it might already be that there are some newer commits that fixed some security bug, or other bug, or improved performance or startup, etc. So in their build of Java 17 they could even decide to apply some of those patches that happened after to the Java 17 latest release. And they might even choose to apply some patches that haven't even made it to the main branch yet, so maybe still have an open PR, or they are the ones patching something of their own.
After having grabbed the main source of OpenJDK, and potentially applied some patches to it, they proceed to build it for one or more platforms.
In the process of building, they will choose which platform to build for, such as Windows, Linux, MacOS, x64, ARM64, x86, etc. And they will choose what to include in the build, for example should you bundle Java Mission Control, javafxpackager, jarsigner, jstatd, visualvm, etc.
Finally they can choose to tests each build on each platform they built it for by running the full test suites, but they could also only partially test, as in, run only a subset of the tests, or tests only a subset of the platforms they built it for.
You'd want to run tests especially if you did patch the source, to make sure none of your patches introduced bugs, but the build could also have created an issue which tests could uncover, like forgotten to include some important C lib, or resource, or built with wrong optimization options, etc.
And last but not least, the license they choose. There's two parts here, the first one is that if they made any changes to the source of their own, their changes might be on their own license, or might not even be open source. That means you might not be able to fork the exact source they used for your own needs, or even get to see the full source they used. The second are the terms of use for each things bundled in the build. Do they let you use the JRE for cloud applications? Can you redistribute it to others? Can you use it for commercial work, etc.
Hopefully that better equips you to understand. Most of the companies who make money by building OpenJDK and offering support will probably do a good job at making sure that they backport security fixes as soon as possible, and make sure to always test everything to be sure their backport and custom patches didn't break anything, but they might not always do so for your chosen platform. But as any company who wants to make money, they need to have some of their customers pay them at some point, and that's where licensing and terms of use come in, but more and more they go full open source on their source patches and customization, allow anyone to use things for free in all settings, but offer paid support, though to be sure read their license and terms of use.
And if you can't be bothered to read their license or terms of use, that's why people have been recommending AdoptOpenJDK which is now Eclipse Adoptium. Since they're a community effort managed by a non-profit, you can be more confident that their license and terms will be and remain fully open source and free to use in all cases. The downside is that it's a community effort, you don't know if they'll apply security patches quickly, or fully test, etc. And if there's any issue with the build you encounter, there's no real support, no SLA for it, etc.
P.S.: There also exists some alternate JDKs, that are not based from the OpenJDK's main source branch, such as OpenJ9, GraalVM, Zing, JamaicaVM, etc. Those should be considered as alternate implementation of Java, they often have very different runtimes and garbage collector and all that, though they can still partially be using some of the stuff from the OpenJDK as well. While all the OpenJDK builds I was talking before always implement everything using the OpenJDK source, all they'd do is add security fixes, bug fixes, retrofit some newer features into older releases, etc. They wouldn't provide alternate implementation of anything the way that GraalVM or OpenJ9, et all, will do.
What’s the main difference between this and java from adoptium? Or even from oracle. I thought they’re all from the same codebase. Is it just support?
The versioning and naming of java is very confusing for me
Each has their own set of strong points regarding JIT, AOT, GC capabilities, which one to select is usually based on the use case.
Unless doing something special, you are pretty safe using a regular OpenJDK distribution.
Looks like muddy waters to me. A shame really, they totally ran the JDK release management into the ground.
Commercial JDKs have been a fact of life since around 2000.
In fact, for a very long time, those commercial implementations were the only ones offering production quality AOT compilers and JIT caches for Java.
The JIT caches that now exist as free beer on Hotspot and J9, come from J/Rockit and Websphere Real Time respectively.
Also if you want a GC with real time guarantees for embedded software, PTC and Aicas are pretty much the ones to go to.
I'll keep using the OpenJDK Docker images.
Still, the fact that Corretto 11 had so few backports is encouraging.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53305934/differences-ama...
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To summarize, you have 3 options:
- Use OpenJDK for free, but upgrade every 6 months to get updates
- Use a paid JDK from Oracle or another vendor
- Use Corretto for free, and get free updates for several years
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Adoptium (formerly AdoptOpenJDK) is equivalent to Cornetto in this comparison
"...Eclipse Adoptium, built by IBM, which is the only distribution built by a team that isn't involved with the OpenJDK project, isn't very familiar with it, and isn't a member of the OpenJDK Vulnerability team, and so get security patches only after the other vendors have delivered their builds. "
Now that I don’t work at Amazon any more I still advocate for the distribution for the LTS model, and the fact that it contains fixes that are only discovered when running in production at the scale of Amazon and AWS.