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It's not immaterial, and apple is crazy for firing her for deleting Pokemon go, if that is the actual reason and she didn't delete any actual data.

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That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests.

I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.

...that can't be right. I wouldn't let them come over from work and rummage around my house either as a condition of working there, you'd have to be addled to accept anything like that.

Which is definitely more inline with the view of privacy I remember before the current ‘internet generation’.

What? Nobody from today's generation would let them rummage about their houses either, would they?

Although it's true I could see a generation that grew up on the internet understanding it better than the generation who always use it through a phone.

Sorry, how does it make sense? Except after a lot of gaslighting? And maybe not by you, but I also feel the arguments of "don't put personal things on your work phone" and "don't delete [personal things] off your work phone" are getting blurred easily in this whole comment section.

In an earlier thread about this same topic[1] someone that claimed to have gone through Apple's onboarding process explained that they were told (approximately) "Log in with an Apple ID. You can use an existing one, should you have it." So I think it's less a case that they're required to use a personal ID and more that they don't make explicit the fact that they can create & use a distinct one.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037

Bingo.

> don't delete stuff before doing so.

I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have to obey.

Is logging out of those apps not sufficient enough?

You would need to delete the app for all your personal data to actually get wiped from your device. Otherwise things like photos, bank data, whatever are just sitting there in the cache directories for snoops to pull off the phone

It's a mistake to have personal information on the phone in the first place. Deleting such could be obstruction of the internal investigation at best, and destroying evidence at worse (remember that you don't decide what's admissible as evidence, the courts do).

You should not have personal stuff on a work phone in the first place.

But say you do, would you delete personal stuff prior to giving your device to your corporate peers?

> But say you do,

Well take this moment as a reminder, that is their property you are storing your very private information on and thus it is now their very private information.

Delete it now, dont put any more on

I would just add "without expecting to get fired" to that rule. I'd delete private or incriminating things regardless of what the company told me.

And you would do so knowing that it would be cause to fire you. Perfectly reasonable, actions have consequences.

Even if you are Tom Brady.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/7/28/9060211/tom-...

Along with a file sharing app where she could have moved basically any data (google drive) yes? Not a good look for her. This was work device, I am surprised people still have not learned that no personal thing can ever touch work device.

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