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With luck we'll have approval for kids soon here in Canada.

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You think kids should be vaccinated despite having no danger? why?

I would guess that it’s to reduce risk of transmission to people who are high risk.

You think there is no Covid-19 risk for kids? Why?

Actually, don't tell me. Save your breath -- you never know when you might need it.

I think that kids should be vaccinated despite having a significantly reduced risk profile (not “no danger”). I think this enough that my kids are participants in the Pfizer pediatric trial. I have seen no evidence that the vaccine presents a risk of short or long term sequelae that is greater than (or even close to equal to) the risk of complications from getting covid itself, and I’ve seen no evidence that there is any reason to believe that the vaccine presents risks that infection does not. In both cases, infection has a much greater risk profile than vaccination, even in low-risk populations. Given that calculus, I would rather my children not be immune naive when they eventually encounter the virus. The vaccine also appears to induce strong short-term sterilizing immunity and still lowers the risk of infection over the long term, which means that once vaccinated, my kids can more comfortably visit their high-risk grandparents (they have been, but vaccination makes this a lower-risk interaction going forward).

No danger? 700 kids in the US have died from COVID, at a rate of about 1 in 100,000. To me, that sounds like a massive risk.

The US is apparently a big outlier in the number of reported children's deaths (5 per million) compared to other developed countries. There are also other confounding factors such as under/over reporting of symptoms and side effects. See here for a review: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13678

the mortality in kids seems to be orders of magnitude smaller than the seasonal flu:

> as of May 2021, data from 79 countries accounting for 2.7 million COVID-19 deaths (69% of all documented global COVID-19 deaths) show that over 8700 (0.3%) of these deaths are in children and adolescents under 20 years of age (40% in children 0–9 years old and 60% in adolescents 10–19 years old). For illustrative comparative purposes, estimated annual fatalities for seasonal influenza preceding the COVID-19 pandemic included 9243 to 105,690 deaths of children younger than 5 years

All cause mortality from birth to age 18 is 865 per 100,000. An additional 1 per 100,000 is unnoticeable.

The comparison to make isn't to the risk of dying from everything else, it's to the risk from vaccination.

Which there isn't really anything published for young children yet, but for age groups where use of a vaccine has been approved in the US (12+ more or less), the risk of severe side effects from vaccination is lower than the risk of severe illness.

I was responding to the description of the Covid death rate in children as a "massive risk". Clearly it is not.

Sure, the other poster wasn't making the right point either.

Annualized, that's about 25 per 100,000. So COVID won't be the leading cause of death, but it's high enough to be classified as a major source of child fatalities.

For something easily preventable once the vaccine is available.

There have been 499 deaths under 17, approximately 1 in 700,000.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

Around the same as atypical flu season.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1127698/influenza-us-dea...

You're right, atypical influenza is also risky. I know people who have died from it, and have two close friends that have had their life ruined by side effects from H1N1. (Guillaume Barre syndrome and Chronic Fatigue). I wouldn't wish either of those on my worst enemies.

Some risks in life you have to accept, but ones that are trivially avoidable?

Shutting down schools to prevent children from getting COVID has too many side effects given the risk level, but the vaccine has such a low cost and so few side effects.

Except it would not be far fetched to think that child cases are vastly under-reported. My wife and I both tested positive and my three children showed mild symptoms. I saw no reason to go through the hassle of getting them tested when it was clear what it was.

It’s not necessarily about the danger to them, but the danger of their transmitting to others. Even vaccinated, there are people who are immunocompromised and less protected.

And then honestly - I know a number of people who have had Covid after being vaccinated and it still sucks. If I can reduce the chances that my kids come home and get me sick, I’m on it in a second, assuming it’s safe (and it is).

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