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'There have to be consequences:' Judge ups sentences for Capitol rioters

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Try to overthrow the government: Harsh prison sentence measured in weeks.

Non-violent drug offense: Years in prison.

> Try to overthrow the government

Was anyone actually charged with insurrection? I don't think so.

> Harsh prison sentence measured in weeks.

The accused have been imprisoned under fairly harsh conditions the whole year already.

Source? Most of them are out on bond.

I think you're probably right that most of them are out. But some have been held under 23-hour lockdown the whole time, for trials not expected to begin until next year.

https://archive.is/eghEu

Rhetorically speaking, are "consequences" the same thing as "justice"? I sense that the "prison should be about rehabilitation, not punishment" crowd is actually perfectly happy with doling out punishment in this situation.

Online, people constantly project hypocrisy onto those they've grouped into "crowds" by observing two different opinions and, because they seem to be on the same half of the political divide, surely they are mostly coming from the same people. Even if you could identify individuals who have both opinions, frequently a reasonable argument can be made regarding the differing contexts (in this example, one merely has to formulate an argument that some prison terms are too harsh, while these terms are not). Going further, even if you could find individuals with opinions where a reasonable argument can't be made, they are still only individuals. There are frequently so many barriers on the road to tying hypocrisy to some opinion you feel is bad, it's not worth the petty political hatred it engenders.

AFAIK the government is still withholding thousands of hours of possibly exculpatory video evidence. It shouldn't be possible to get any convictions under such circumstances, so it's also improper to talk about sentences.

Oh really? That's an extraordinary claim: care to provide any evidence? Otherwise, I call BS.

I don't know the exact state of affairs right now, but this should be enough to get the gist of what's been going on.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/insurrection... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/capitol-foot... (was this a release of 15 minutes from 14000 hours?)

Sorry for the formatting.

Your next throwaway should be named NothingburgerEmoji

Please respond substantively or not at all.

Literally anything we haven’t seen is “possibly exculpatory”, isn’t it?

Imagine that you were waved into the building by guards, and have been under 23 hour/day lockdown in prison awaiting trial for 9 months, and the government is refusing to release video you say would support your claim. The state is apparently using video evidence to prosecute you, but your lawyer can't get other parts of the same body of video evidence.

https://djhjmedia.com/rich/department-of-justice-admits-in-c...

>> Imagine that you were waved into the building by guards

no one was waved in, there's plenty of video of people breaking windows and through doors to get in

Begging the question. Defendants say they were waved in, government is withholding video evidence that may support their claim. Hopefully you agree that no valid conviction could be obtained under such circumstances.

Do the defendants have any of their own video evidence to back that up? If this hand-waving were such a big issue, surely someone would have recorded it, even if only by accident.

Eh, I just looked at the submission and comment history on your brand-new 5 day old account: you're just a troll and not even a very good one at that.

What does that have to do with anything? Please stay on topic.

“Justice for me and not for thee” at work

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