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I want to put everybody involved in the UI changes inside a cannon and shoot them into a sun. Seriously. Top left back button isn't flush with the edge and isn't an infinite button. Pure idiocy. Interacting with sound anything has become 10x worse and I want to strangle whoever removed the old volume mixer and made it impossible to cleanly switch audio devices over the icon. I want to waterboard whoever decided to remove the Task manager shortcut from the right-click menu of the Taskbar. It's near impossible to find the wifi security settings with how they're trying desperately to hide the classic interface without providing any way to do the same things I was able to before. after months of dealing with this shit and seeing none of it addressed, I've given up and I'm back on 10. Microsoft. What in the fuck. I was ready to give 11 a fair shot. I gave it more of a chance than it deserved. It made so many of my daily tasks harder and more tedious to do and I can't stand it. Interacting with 11 legit makes me angry.

I share in your frustration, I haven't migrated to Windows 11 but I noticed these challenges in Windows 10 starting the crop up. The half baked settings UI which when you actually get to the place you need to go is in the old settings UI anyway.

But if what you say is difficult in Windows 11, it's going to be a bumpy ride

I'd say the most frustrating thing to me is that they have legit made some decent UI improvements. I did like 11 when I started using it. Overall, the settings app is better. Overall, the bottom right menu for quick access buttons is awesome. There actually is potential here for something great. But there are these "minor" issues around common tasks involving both that I do regularly that ruin the whole experience and I just feel so disappointed and frustrated.

I hated giving up and going back to 10. While it is worse in some ways, it's better in the ways that matter to me.

> Win+Ctrl+Shift+B

First time I've heard of this shortcut - seems to reboot the video driver in case of any graphics glitches. May come in handy, thx!

>seems to reboot the video driver in case of any graphics glitches

sort of, but not really: https://superuser.com/a/1497556

I've had 0 problems *but I am working on very new hardware that the manufacturer already claims support for Win11.

I dislike the interface changes but I haven't liked changes since Windows 7 so I'm just in grumpy old man territory it seems.

What is the hardware configuration you're experiencing these problems on?

> What is the hardware configuration you're experiencing these problems on?

I'm on supported hardware too. 3700X/2070 Super. Completely vanilla system.

I'm on a 3900X/2080 Super and have had zero issues.

Did you in-place upgrade or clean install Windows 11?

> It is still for early adopters willing to suck up problems.

AKA suckers. Why do free beta testing for Microsoft?

With Windows 10 updates, they made everyone a sucker. Updates that can lead to unbootable systems, loss of data, and hardware failure. We've seen it all.

ADHD aka is it New, Interesting, Challenging, or Urgent. It's new, interesting, challenging if you hit problems, and you can get in early.

It is a direction change and if you could run it in a VM on older hardware I would. The official launch ISO won't boot while a dev version from the week before launch loads up in Hyper V fine.

I understand the taskbar changed, but last time i tried win11 i could not move it to the top, and it was not pinning the app icon to the containing screen and main screen.

Luckily I could revert to win10.

The taskbar isn't allowed to be moved from the bottom anymore, so that's to be expected.

Microsoft continues the trend of "oh, you thought this was your machine? Nah, it's our machine"

This change floored me. I have so much horizontal space and much more limited vertical space. Let me move it to the side!

I hope it'll be feasible to skip this version, as is tradition.

My understanding is that the majority of users aren't even able to upgrade currently. If your average user tries to upgrade from the Windows Update menu, they will just see if their computer is technically able to upgrade or not (based on CPU/TPM stuff I think). Even if it is, you won't be allowed or ping to upgrade until they deem your configuration viable. I am not by my home PC, but I think the messaging they give in the Windows Update page even says the upgrade should be available around spring of 2022.

So while Windows 11 is "out" right now, it seems to be for people on the windows insider program, and will be slowly rolled out to the public into next year.

I try to shoot for the 3rd gen/iteration, or later if possible. Windows 8.1 was great for me with a new laptop and Surface tablet. 10 has treated me well enough especially with the features still in the Pro version. 11 should be good to go next spring or summer.

I was burned by my first laptop, a lovely netbook with dGPU where the CPU hobbled everything you could drain the battery before finishing a level in Halo 2 PC. It took a few iterations for that low power CPU mobile gaming platform to balance out.

I read that the kernel has been in trial for a lot more, as it had been deployed to Windows 10 Insiders for almost a year; so they’ve “only” been testing the new shell. They already went RTM some time ago and made sure the OOBE would update the shell to the latest version.

And I mean that makes sense, because it's the shell changes that feel half finished.

Windows 10 is taking 3-4 minutes to log in, I've tried disabling startup services, but that didn't work, so reinstall is on the table... would you hop to Win 11 or reinstall Win 10?

check how big your roaming home dir is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaming_user_profile#Profile_s... ) - sometimes applications tend to put a lot of stuff into this dir, which could end up slowing startup.

Note that this almost certainly isn't relevant unless you're on a corporate machine. I highly doubt that corporations are updating to windows 11 the month it's released.

Thanks, but this is a personal computer. Then again, I'm not sure I should rule out some kind of wacky involuntary cloud sync these days.

To rule it out, have you tried booting with your network disabled?

How hard have you tried disabling services? My optimized win10 has 27 services set to Automatic start, and 33 RUNNING total, while fresh install is around 70 Automatic and ~100 running (with stupid shit like few xbox services for people never playing games, or handwriting recognition on a desktop). Then there are 140 Tasks enabled by default. Half of the stuff I had to disable didnt really want to be disabled and required playing with permissions or impersonating TrustedInstaller - Microsoft really wants that clipboard and hand writing telemetry uploaded regularly.

If you have to run Windows install Windows 10 LTSC. You can get a stripped down version with no ads and no store. It's the way windows should be out of the box.

Try and enable verbose login and see where it gets "stuck"

https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/132125-enable-verbos...

But yea if you have support for Win11, then why not clean install it anyway.

go to task manager > startup and see if there's something there listed as having a high value in the "startup impact" column

To be honest that's how I felt about Windows 10 and most other Microsoft products.