Coinbase users slam new customer service phone support: ‘It was a joke’
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It’s disgusting to me that these companies hold billions in others’ wealth but don’t think it’s a problem to not have proper support until they are absolutely forced to.
1. Intermediaries should make up for the unintentional losses.
2. Let it play out as the crypto promised. It’s DiFi after all. There are no chargebacks, no insurance, no tracking, no government intervention. Suck up the losses and keep playing.
For now, it’s #2. If and when regulations come for #1, then crypto would look a lot like the commodities market. Every person making a crypto transaction would likely also have to follow KYC procedures and submit ID and file W8/W9.
There’s no free lunch.
Indeed! But it is not funny.
This is far less bad than the people in the article, but the Coinbase system had me locked out from May until August for an utterly trivial error - their Plaid system couldn't resolve the type of bank acct or account name, so I couldn't transfer in or out, despite having been a customer since 2015.
Opening dozens of support tickets and emails attempting to resolve the problem got either auto-responses, or generic boilerplate replies - it was literally impossible to get anyone to actually look at the problem, and I pretty much gave up.
Finally, to their credit, in August, a person actually looked at it, and had me use the old two deposits of $0.xx and tell them the amounts, and boom- I was verified again.
They would have saved everyoe a ton of trouble (and not cost me large opportunity costs) by simply having this as a fallback option on the menu. Even though it takes a few days to transfer, I prefer it to the massively insecure Plaid option anyway.
The bad UX design is enough of a problem, but their lack of support when real money is involved is inexcusable — no support for a search engine, fine, but with real money, nope. There really ought to be a law requiring specific service levels when money is involved...
If they weren't pretty much the only game in town in the US...
&yes, there's plenty of exchanges where I can send one crypto currency and buy/sell another - it's the easy fiat exchange part that is the problem. (and I'd have about as much expectation of support or making things right with problems as from MtGox...)
FWIW though, after one wire transfer on Gemini they will let you ACH transfer back and forth with the account you wired from. It works pretty well. (However, watch out for fees by using their Gemini ActiveTrader interface, similar to using Coinbase Pro vs Coinbase).
You can also use Plaid to link a bank account on Binance US, but it seemed buggy when I tried it. However, if that worked it would also allow ACH deposits and withdrawals.
I haven't used FTX US, but it looks like they also have Plaid integration that should support ACH deposits and withdrawals.
Wire transfers do seem to be the best option for deposits and withdrawals on Kraken. Some other options, including ACH, are available via their Buy Crypto widget (but it has higher fees, and apparently you can't withdrawal later via ACH).
Anyway, if you want another fiat gateway that supports ACH deposits and withdrawals, and you're fine doing one wire to authorize a bank account, maybe check out Gemini.
The benefit of crypto also makes it a perfect target since there is no ‘undo’.
We are relearning why the financial system is set up as it is …
More like: Find the cheapest call center that is already leveraged really thin with clients. Then get someone in dev who is overworked and not used to writing outside docs to write the scripts/workflows. Of course, give that person an unreasonably short schedule to finish because they have "better things to do."
Finally, fingers-crossed nothing blows up... monkey-patch when it inevitably does. Repeat with each new feature rollout...
It seems like the steady-state for this is customers realizing the call-center folks don't have any real info and stop calling.
It makes me incredibly sad knowing that I have a small fortune tucked away but can't access it because the sites support is so useless.
Cryptocurrency teaches you bitter truths about reality; No do overs. Look after your shit yourself. You can’t trust anyone with your property except yourself.
Securing property with ints is better than anything else we have ever come up with. It makes many bad things much harder and less likely.
Those social technologies haven't worked out great recently I might add
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-01/bank-of-a...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/29/business/capital-one-data...
You have to weigh the risk of theft vs the financial losses from holding your money in a place that it does not earn interest (and in fact loses value to inflation). I say that as someone that lost quite a bit when Cryptsy went down.
They will be stolen.
You could also argue the opposite: there are many more would-be attackers now that crypto is so much more popular; and the adage "not your keys, not your coins" still holds true. Still, I don't think it's naive to place more trust in exchanges today compared to that era in crypto.
These people had $1M in crypto on Coinbase, if you had $1M in cash would a good financial advisor tell you to store it in an account that doesn't earn any interest? (I know there are many flaws in the cash-to-crypto comparison.)
Shouldn't crypto investors have a safe place to earn interest? "Don’t leave coins in exchanges" only solves the safety problem, it's not that simple. It's frustrating that we're seeing the same issues with security that we saw nearly a decade ago.
I read somewhere that "Every possible action you take in your life could be taken advantage by criminals. Do you want to let that restrict you ability to lead your life?" I don't, I'd like to have a safe place to store money that earns interest. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28518389
You're arguing that we should not keep coins on exchanges because they could be taken advantage by criminals who are "restrict[ing] your ability to lead your [interest-earning financial] life." This is in direct contrast to your previous statements.
You have no right to earn interest on Bitcoin. It’s not in its cryptoeconomic model, it is an overlay at best that introduces risk. Historically, interest was actually religiously banned. It was only corruption from the ProtoBankers that made you believe you were entitled to it.
> You have to weigh the risk of theft vs the financial losses
Exchanges provide compound interest, but are vulnerable to hacks, in ways unlike self-custody.
Every possible action you take in your life could be taken advantage by criminals. Do you want to let that restrict your ability to lead your life?