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All: please let's not do programming language flamewar here. I realize this is just a quote, but such things are activating and we all need to just not take the bait.

This sort of hyper-rant did years' worth of damage to the CL community and I'd especially not like to see HN be a vehicle for its return. As for Clojure, Rich knows at least as much as the rest of us do about the design tradeoffs it took to get a viable Lisp on the JVM.

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Even pg participated in Lisp flaming; what he said about newLISP on LtU, for example. It's tradition!

But yes, Lisp flamewar is not very productive. I do think there's a debate to be had as to whether or not Clojure is a Lisp, though, and the quote was offered to give a humorous example of a macro posted by people who are against Clojure in it, since stelcodes seemed to be unaware.

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