Show HN: Open-source UK fuel availability tracker
fuelfinder.uk
fuelfinder.uk
https://www.firmdalehotels.com/hotels/london/the-soho-hotel/...
I think I know what is that :) I was grepping for "fuel" in osmconvert csv dump (as in ameniity=fuel)
Not sure on the licensing details for this but I think your use could be accepted. This could work as a more established alternative from the true golden source of property records in the UK - if you ever fancy switching over.
[0]: https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-government/product...
[1]: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/access-free-address-data-using-a...
[2]: https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-government/tools-s...
Also, perhaps display where it thinks you are too, so you can determine if it's massively off.
That said I do like defaults and fewer settings etc.
1. Open google maps
2. Turn on 'live traffic' congestion layer.
3. Identify your local petrol stations.
4. Find one with low congestion, avoid the ones with high congestion.
5. Click on the marker on google maps,
6. Check the 'busyness' indicator.
Observations:
If it's not busy and there's no congestion it's probably not got any fuel.
If it's as busy as usual or even a little bit more than normal, and congestion is not insane then head there.
If it's very congested avoid as it's probably being swarmed by social media promotion.
It is almost entirely depends on github pages and actions, with a single exception being an AWS lambda which logs submitted data into Cloudwatch (which is the later collected by a cron github action).
Source code here: "https://github.com/sztanko/fuelfinder
But something like this for EVs that also shows the cost of charging would be great.
Yes I know about zap map, etc... But in my area the choices are poor, the availability difficult to discover (rate limited and polling for status of chargers?), but mostly the payment is a nightmare with opaque pricing across wild and sometimes exorbitant ranges that seems difficult to discover.
Would love to see this tool for EV chargers but with prices, public access, filterable, and centred on my location.
Just needs:
* Is it publicly accessible, and if restrictions exist based on time what times is it accessible (i.e. chargers in car parks that aren't open 24/7)
* Can members of the public PAYG with no membership required? If so at what rate? And is this via contactless or requires a specific app?
* Is it free right now and known to be in working order?
Some of this you've covered... but there is no single view of this I can find, and things like Zap Map are partial and have some incorrect data (it's not unusual to be caught out by opening hours of a car park for example).
With the government imposing a ban on the manufacture of ICE vehicles this decade, we have an upper limit of what, 20 years before ICE vehicles are being run into the ground?
Great for ICE mechanics in the UK I suppose.
My dad recently retired from a team building substations all over the UK, using equipment from a well-respected European vendor, he noted that the contract has now gone to someone else making inferior equipment which he and other retired/semi-retired members of his team have been called back in to help rectify, in part because the skills and experience required exist with a very select few old-guard who've been doing the job for decades.
Aside from that potentially not going well in the log run, I don't see how we can be ready, or even close to ready for electrification of private vehicles unless every parking space in the country becomes a charging point and huge additional power supplies are created.
The Shell garage near my home, in a London borough is so far from anything useful, that if you manage to get one of the 3 electric charging stations there, you're either grabbing an Uber to head somewhere, or waiting in your car until it's charged, how are we going to work around the productivity decline of having to wait hours to charge up?
Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to own and drive an EV but it's so impractical that I can't even consider it.
It's an interesting problem that will be entertaining to watch play out, one way or another.
Pretty obvious how ev ownership will play out. More chargers, more pv.
I see your point, in your situation that's great, but I live in an Nth floor apartment in a London borough, I don't have an option for solar, nor for a wall socket to power an EV, nor do any of my neighbours. We're entirely at the mercy of Freeholders to consider putting EV charging in and _only_ charging us the price of a small motor vehicle for the privilege, if they'll do it at all.
I suspect a significant percentage of the population, who like myself live in large cities or suburbs are in a similar position.
Someone told me recently that a mandate is now in place for new-build to at least build infrastructure to support EV chargers in bays, even if they're not built ahead of time. Of course given the racket that is property development, they'll not put them in and charge you a pretty penny to add it after the fact.
I think solar will find its way onto every surface we can get it on. Distributed power networks are much easier to deal with than centralised ones.
You are right property developers are likely to shirk their responsibility here. But I think there will be a lot of charge Business popping up, doing deals with councils etc
Citation needed... The national grid transports less power today than it did 40 years ago, despite a much bigger population.
That's simply untrue - National Grid don't forsee a problem. [1] Peak power usage in the UK was in 2005 - energy saving measures have been reducing it ever since. [2] The grid is today only delivering around 70% of the power it delivered in 2005.
Electric cars individually may have high peak charging loads, but if you calculate the total average power draw per car over a years driving, it's only about 200W. We may have to implement some level of demand management either in the cars or car chargers, but that's not particularly complicated - all the infrastructure already exists.
I do agree that the charging infrastructure is a long way off. Every street of terraced houses needs to be dug up and wired up with regular spaced charging points.
[1]: https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero-sto... [2]: https://theconversation.com/britains-electricity-use-is-at-i...
The problem, as I understand it, is with the condition of the grid, not its capacity. I know homes in London who literally have flickering lights and power issues as a regular occurrence, I've experienced it myself, it's large cities like London which would benefit most from complete electrification of vehicles and the supplies and equipment is ageing.
With tenders being awarded to those who claim to be the most carbon-neutral (National Grid's words) as opposed to actually providing high quality equipment (warning: my opinion), I foresee the problem worsening.
How many people live in Haringey? 270,000. Housing is predominantly flats and terraced housing. Even if there's only a car for every 4 people, that still means 67,500 EVs.
There needs to be a couple of orders of magnitude more EV chargers to be anywhere close to "ready" for the EV transition.
We created gas stations in less time, and they’re bigger and more logistically intense.
Also, why do I have to share my location? What happened to the good old days of just being able to enter postcode or town?!
I wonder how true this actually is, certainly a useful narrative for the government. But surely, if fuel supply at point of sale is down 30%, there is 30% less fuel, no matter how you dress it.
There were isolated reports of people bringing jerry cans to petrol stations, and I agree this is artificially inflating demand, but I'm not sure this is very widespread.
I know several people who have brought jerry cans to petrol stations. None of them were panic buying / hoarding. All of them were buying fuel for other people who were literally at zero, having burned whatever little they had left in queues that led to nothing.
Beware the assumption that jerry cans == hoarding / panic buying. It's great for tabloids to stir up anger and resentment, but the real world is always more nuanced than the headline.
In any case it seems to be the exceptions, not "everyone fills up the tank, then 20 jerry cans and a bottle of Coke".
I was quite confused at the time, but I assume they were just dishing them out to free up capacity for other products. (I also assume stock control is quite highly automated, so you can certainly see how it would happen.)
This is ultimately worse for society, but the only rational response as a single actor.
Whilst I cannot find empirical evidence illustrating the amount of "panic buying", it does seem to be quite widely accepted (across the government, media, general public and oil and gas industry) that people are panic buying. Unless you have evidence to support your claim I'm inclined to believe all the sources I've read.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/opinion/britain-fuel-cris...
Don't trust the NYT?
https://www.vox.com/22700343/uk-fuel-crisis-brexit-covid-19-...
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/brexit-fuel-food...
https://www.indiatoday.in/business/story/uk-fuel-crisis-chao...
And so does reality. Brexit, recent Tory governments are mismanaged unmitigated disasters. Is there anything broadly positive that can be said of them? Vaccination was decently managed, that's for sure.
And note, i'm not in any way saying the other UK parties are somewhat better or would do a better job, i don't have a serious opinion on them. But that does in no way excuse the clown car crash.
Of course, this is actually sign of governmental incompetence. Yes, haulage firms will need to pay more, obviously. But the process of raising wages, training, and hiring drivers is a slow process. Even if every haulage firm decided overnight to raise wages high enough to attract new applicants, it will take months to train all of these people to become truck drivers. To expect the supply chain to handle just a sudden shock like this was very, very foolish of them.
Oh, and there's a bunch of non-wage stuff too, like Priti Patel threatening to arrest any truck driver who has an illegal immigrant in their truck, whether or not they were aware of them. I'm sure this won't have a chilling effect on cross-border trucking, will it?
Also, it's not exactly like the Tory party is the party of "you should pay your workers more", now is it?
Edit: sources for those who don’t believe me:
What’s the New York Times’s problem with Britain?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-s-the-new-york-time...
The New York Times’ bizarre campaign against Britain
https://unherd.com/2020/01/what-has-the-new-york-times-got-a...
The New York Times is junk.
I've also provided links from other sources if you find NYT unpalatable.
A couple of thoughts:
1) I live in the middle of a number of ESSO stations, it's hard to know which one it is, based on a distance, and I dont want to click through to directions. Local facebook group users just give the neighbourhood it's in.
2) The information is very time sensitive, you could order results based on recent update, or availability, instead of closeness or perhaps just emphasise that the update was a long time ago etc. Related to that, try for the time info a bit easier to grasp. 1334m, 23 hours, a day ago, etc Related to that, the majority of stations information are about a day old, but the results say it was updated 10 mins ago. This results update time information doesnt mean as much as the freshness from a station.
going back to the facebook group, there is a kind of social network reward for contributing and updating others.
Names and locations of fuel stations are coming from openstreetmap, and it most cases it doesn't have good addresses.
I will add ability to edit locations and addresses of the fuel stations when submitting the updates. Eventually this could be added back to OSM.
Information here is fully crowdsourced, and the project is around 8 hours old. The more people contribute, the better it gets.
On iPhone Safari it’s not detecting my location. Is it supposed to prompt me to share the location? I don’t get anything.
Update: Nevermind, it works once I enabled location sharing in my privacy settings.
I will share this with others.
As per another comment, it would be good if we could search or choose a location.
Essentially, the main challenge here is that this is 99% statically hosted project. You download the full list of fuel stations and the app then shows you the closes ones.
We have around 7k fuel stations across the UK, which is 350kb compressed, so not a big issue.
However, full postcode list (1,768,727 postcodes) is 20MB compressed (62MB uncompressed), that won't be acceptable to be handled on the client device.
I am thinking of cutting off the last two characters off postcode, that will give us 11k rows and 286kb with around 1 mile precision in densely populated areas, that will do the trick.
In any case, I only started working on it on Sunday. Still have couple of ideas to implement, but need to do my day to day work :)
The result list for me (that goes as far as 7.5 miles away) shows 'unknown' for every garage, which therefore renders the list useless. No doubt it would improve as more users offered up information, but unless there is a way to automate the data the majority of more rural areas (perhaps even anywhere that is not a large city centre) will never find any use for this.
It really depends on the traction now.
I disagree - I uploaded a simple shared spreadsheet to our neighbourhood Facebook page last week. When I added it, it had 20 garages - all unknown, other than 1 - which I filled in. A week later it is getting a lot of use.