This happens when the room is over 80 degrees Fahrenheit, even when the CPU is at 3% utilization. Can't find root cause, or if this is even considered abnormal, but the laptop is defective in my opinion.
This happens when the room is over 80 degrees Fahrenheit, even when the CPU is at 3% utilization. Can't find root cause, or if this is even considered abnormal, but the laptop is defective in my opinion.
The only solution unfortunately is to do some more research & read reviews which cover throttling & thermal management before you buy your next laptop to make sure you're not buying something that is defective. On my previous Dell XPS laptop the CPU and GPU shared one heatpipe & heatsink. It could handle 100% CPU with an external monitor, but the GPU was much more power hungry and placing any significant load on the GPU made the CPU throttle significantly. Each manufacturer & product has different thermal management solutions and you need to do research before buying to see if a laptop will work for you. You'll also want to see whether external displays are always driven by the discrete GPU instead of the integrated GPU on the CPU - even if not being heavily used, just turning on the discrete GPU creates a fair bit of heat.
Or just buy a gaming laptop if you can accept with the added size & heft - they're often cheaper for equivalent CPU/GPU than the 'premium' laptops like MacBook, XPS, but sometimes don't get the newest features (Thunderbolt, USB-C charging, etc.) as early. One of my friends had a gaming laptop with the same specs as my XPS and when under load his laptop would blow out enormous amounts of hot air from its big vents, whereas the XPS clearly had a much lower heat removal capacity.
I can comfortably leave that thing spending 8-12 hours to encode a HEVC/H265 codec 4K video without worrying about it melting down.
Gaming laptops are just more-portable desktops to me. I would slip the M1 in a backpack without a second thought. It can even share a charger with my phone. Bringing a gaming laptop anywhere would need to be well justified.
My 16” Intel MBP has this issue. My 13” M1 MBP does not.
Nothing from VMs to cross-compiling large toolchains has caused throttling in a fanless laptop. And that's while driving a 6k monitor and charging at full wattage.
There is. You don't need to keep that hardware running 24/7. That is a problem in the OS and associated software. Apple could disable all these monitoring daemons and accept the tiny delays in starting various things, accept some fan noise, accept a mic that isn't tuned to a room, accept that the computer will take a few extra seconds to wake from sleep, accept that charging won't be lightning fast. But that isn't Apple. That isn't what Apple's customers want. Those seconds are precious. They want everything all services to remain at attention 24/7 ready to attend their slightest need. If that means burning a few extra watts then so be it.
I am not an apple customer. My laptop is currently turned off... properly off. I can live with waiting a few seconds for it to boot because my time is cheap. So is my power bill. And so is my laptop's carbon footprint.
If you run a stripped-down distro of Linux, running only the bare minimum, no service listening for anything, no service reporting on anything, etc, the issue still stands if the user needs the beefy hardware for beefy actual work. Say they're working on some big project in a compiled language from the middle of nowhere with unreliable internet, so they can't offload compiling to someone else's computer. Or they're into video, etc.
There are many use cases for a laptop with strong specs. Not everyone has such a use. But the fact is that high-powered components stuck in a small enclosure will have a bad time with thermals.
Beefy hardware or not isn't the point. My hardware is rather beefy. The delays I speak of are not delays in accomplishing the actual commuting task. I'm talking about those tiny delays in spinning up a piece of hardware. I don't car is my threadripper's 49 extra cores take a few milliseconds to wake up from a deep sleep. I can live with a microphone that takes a second to turn on as I dial a voice call. Once the actual task is going, those little delays are in the past. But Apple doesn't tolerate little startup/wakeup delays. Apple would rather burn a little power keeping everything ready at a moment's notice.
Putting thermal pads on your VRMs and dissipating heat to the backplate works perfectly.
Although this is a somewhat recent development/concern, you could fine and maybe still can find non-Apple laptops from the ~2015 era that will have extremely hot surface temperatures. Any many more laptops were just designed poorly so as the regular cooling solution gets less effective due to dust the keyboard and bottom will become exceedingly hot.
You don't have to. Look up erythema ab igne.
Those also have cooling problems. I bought a bulky one with 3 fans just because it had a nice processor. It couldn't sustain high performance under load for more than 5 seconds even with the fans maxed out. Compiling some code pushes CPU temperatures into the 80-90 ℃ range. Scrolling a chat in WhatsApp Web also overheats my laptop.
I've given up on laptops. If they require cooling at all, the manufacturer did it wrong.
Yes, and that's why it should be illegal for firms to sell broken devices as we can read in this thread. Stop pretending everything can be smaller and prettier, just build stuff that works no matter what it looks like.
Apple is also guilty on the smartphone front. They have basically pioneered the "throwaway phone" paradigm we are deep into now. I remember when "dumb phones" lasted many years and held battery for at least a week... we have let their shiny advertising corrupt our minds and have lost features and created even more environmental disaster as a result.
I'm still using an iPhone 7 for 5 years now without issue, which is longer than any dumb phone I had in the past. Nobody is forced to buy the last iPhone every year, especially since they don't bring a lot of improvements anyway.
The M1 MacBooks are the outliers here. They go to toe on many benchmarks with e.g. the Ryzen 3700X and even beats it in some areas such as single-thread performance or through dedicated hardware (e.g. matrix multiplication). And the M1 can be passively cooled. After many generations of Intel MacBooks, the M1 MacBook was a revelation.
I am curious though whether they can maintain this in newer models, which are supposed to have 6 (or perhaps even more) high-performance cores. We'll see.
It's just not physically possible to make a machine that combines high end power hungry hardware, adequate cooling for that hardware, and a compact form factor. [...] a gaming laptop if
I feel like towers are under-appreciated these days. A lot of people I see with these overpowered laptops use it plugged into a screen anyway. Why not buy a tower with a Ryzen 5900X or 5950X? It will blow away your laptop CPU and with a high-performance tower cooler, it will stay cool and won't make a lot of noise. Same for GPUs. Every time I hear about people buying a laptop with an NVIDIA GPU to do machine learning... Just buy a tower and SSH into the machine. Your life will be so much more pleasant.
I was considering these for work, but most reasonably priced options have a poor display. I think there's a gap in the market for gaming performance with a decent display.
I ended up going with a 4k x1 carbon and been pretty happy so far
Recently I also figured out that "automatic switching of graphic mode" (enabled by default) causes noticeable input lag. If I type text, the last typed character sometimes doesn’t show until another character is typed or I have to wait up to 5 seconds(!).
Turning off "automatic graphic mode switching" stopped the input lag completely, but the battery duration is down from like 10 hours to 3 or something.
A disappointing thing for a €3,300 device.
(2732*2048 + 2560*1600 + 6016*3384 = 30,000,000 pixels, although I'm not sure if the iPad receives a pixel signal, or renders its own content)
So it doesn't seem to be a lack of graphics power that causes this limitation.
(Incidentally, the XDR and current-gen iPad pro displays are the first where I get the illusion, when watching high-res video, that there's an actual window in the display and I am looking at a real scene behind it)
Using the USB port on the other side works without issues.
There is a bug for 5500M GPU that causes 18W sustained power draw with one external monitor. It should normally be 5W or so.
The throttling is due to your VRM chips overheating. There is no temp sensor for this exposed to the user.
The VRM chips have no cooling. The high GPU watt draw pushes the temps of the VRMs above their thermal limits with no cooling.
The solution is to put thermal pads on your VRMs to dissipate the heat to the backplate. Completely resolved my issue.
Disabling TurboBoost can also help. Running fans at max speed at all times too because Mac is slow to ramp them up when load increases.
Apparently the 5600M doesn’t have this issue and the 5500M bug is fixed in Monterey. But the thermal pad mod is still amazing. Apple couldn’t do it stock, because there are regulations about hot a backplate can get related to risk of burns.
Hm, I still seem to get the same behavior (using the very latest Monterey beta)
I'm using the 2019 MBP 16 w/ the 5500M GPU
pmset -g thermlog sudo powermetrics --samplers smc |grep -i "GPU die temperature"
sudo powermetrics --samplers smc |grep -i "CPU die temperature"
It's proactive, but at least it is a useful tool.