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Green Parties the world over are anti-nuclear and have been since the 80s.

Considering how much harm to the environment has come by the hand of green parties, I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't lobbied by fossil fuel companies.

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Dunno about parties, but multiple eco-focused organisations are paid at least in part by oil & gas. Greenpeace actually founded a gas-providing energy utility in Germany (Greenpeace Energy, recently renamed Green Planet Energy to… avoid headlines about Greenpeace selling gas, despite those headlines being true). Other orgs got more direct funding from oil & gas players e.g. FoEI was literally founded with an oil baron's donation, and Sierra Club got millions recently from drilling & fracking company Chesapeake Energy.

Both Greenpeace and FoEI were actually founded by Sierra Club members who thought Sierra was not anti-nuclear enough. After a while, Sierra's platform changed to be more anti-nuclear (its current position).

And don't discount funding from Russia, that goes really well with both Russia's destabilisation goals and anti-coal campaigns leading to higher dependence on Russian natural gas.

Sorry but that's a lot of hogwash. The green parties mostly came from, or were closely associated with, the anti-war movements. Anti nuclear and green overlap to a large degree due to (a) the close link between nuclsar power and nuclear weapons, and (b) at least in Europe also the fallout of Chernobyl, which is now barely remembered but at the time was gigantic - e.g. enormous amounts of food had to be scrapped, people had to keep their windows closed for months, etc.

Are you claiming that the parent posters comments about funding are false? You don’t actually address them.

They're simply unevidenced. They carry as much weight as me accusing you of being funded by the Russians.

Ok but the person I replied to said “ Sorry but that's a lot of hogwash.”

That seems like a statement that the claims are false, not a request for evidence.

Greenpeace Energy is selling methane generated by electrolysis from wind energy.

See here: https://www.h2-international.com/2019/04/01/joint-effort-to-...

> Greenpeace Energy is selling methane generated by electrolysis from wind energy.

Greenpeace Energy was founded in 1998, started selling gas in 2011, and purchased that first electrolyser in 2018[0].

As of 2020, the gas they were selling was about 1% hydrogen[0], 99% fossil imports. In 2021 the major change was to add 10% biogas to the mix.

[0] although they've been feeding-in hydrogen since 2014

[1] we'll just trust that it is indeed all wind-powered electrolysis.

Greenpeace in particular came about in opposition to nuclear weapons, hence the "peace" part in their name, and why they were the subject of a terrorist attack by the French government which sank the first Rainbow Warrior. People keep forgetting about the long shadow of mutual assured destruction and nuclear proliferation. This is why nobody wants to let the world's 8th largest CO2 emitting country build even a single nuclear reactor.

(https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by... )

People who wish to allege secret funding or influence should supply some evidence. Currently the only evidence I'm aware of is the infiltration of UK environmentalists by notorious communists the, er, Metropolitan Police.

>I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't lobbied by fossil fuel companies.

They are. The mass hysteria about Fukushima was fueled by "environmentalists" who were being funded by the Australian coal lobby.

never let a serious crisis go to waste

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>Green Parties the world over are anti-nuclear and have been since the 80s.

>I'm beginning to wonder if they aren't lobbied by fossil fuel companies.

There was a large oil-exporting and gas-exporting country that has been aligned with Green Parties' political programs back in the 80s. USSR was known to train and to sponsor activists, academics, and publishers as part of its influence campaigns.

It helps your case that the fossil fuel exporter USSR was ran in a top-down, by-fiat fashion, rather similar to how corporations function internally.

My theory is that it was mostly out of a fear of nuclear weapons. You see the same thing these days with animal right activists trying to push vegetarians/vegans diet with environmentals claims. And some of them are true, of course. But some of them are not totally true, or false, and are pushed because of their moral values.

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