L.A. County sheriff’s unit accused of targeting political enemies, vocal critics
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I got out of my car, dazed amid a cloud of air bag dust and miraculously unscathed. I was wearing my seat belt and had my convertible top and windows all the way down. I otherwise would surely have ended up with a face full of glass.
The other driver -- about a block away -- also got out of their car. They took a glance at me, got back into their car and sped off. Their car had no plates.
I called 911 and Deputy Penate of the L.A. County Sheriff's Department arrived on the scene. His attitude toward me was immediately hostile.
I was in a completely traumatized state and had just experienced the scariest moment of my life. As I was on the phone trying to arrange a tow, he approached me and said: "Do you think we could hurry this up? I'd really like to have some dinner tonight."
A few minutes later as we were waiting for the tow truck, he got out of his patrol car and approached me again, making sniffing noises: "Why do I smell marijuana right now, sir? If I search your car am I'm gonna find anything I'm not supposed to find?"
I don't smoke marijuana. There was no contraband in my car, which had been laying totaled on the side of the road with its top down for an hour.
I had just been the victim of a serious crime and here was this law enforcement officer, trying to turn me into a criminal instead of assisting me in any way.
That experience was a serious blow to my faith in law enforcement.
They're terrified of losing their blank check to behave this way. The more that people suspect that police are extremely dangerous and stop giving them the benefit of the doubt, the more chance we have of changing how they operate.
When I moved to the US, a friend's dad, a high-powered attorney (and former prosecutor) in our region, told a group of us: "don't ever talk to a police officer unless you absolutely have to. They can make your life hell for any reason they want, or no reason, and they'll always get away with it."
Coming from a country where the cops were much, much less violent and much more trusted, this was shocking to me. But that was a long time ago now and I can't honestly say the advice has served me poorly.
Is the answer that the best thing to do is to let it go - and, in turn, to let go of any possible insurance payout that depends on you filing a police report?
A more reasonable take would be to do a cost benefit analysis of whether an interaction with the police would likely cause trouble for you.
If you are too ignorant to evaluate whether to talk to the police then you are too ignorant to evaluate the accuracy of the video.
(this is the part where I get sent links for a bunch of "free" legal resource links, that will totally respond to your email and return your phone call. Totally)
If you are a victim of a severe crime, please talk to an attorney first.
Even if the intention is a simple traffic stop, police is incentivized to bring their numbers up, so anything you say during a traffic stop can and routinely will be used to pin higher offenses on you. Again, it's not worth it.
Car was stolen, I found it a few blocks away. Cop showed up to take a report 12 hours later and immediately accused me of driving drunk, forgetting where I parked, then smashing up the steering column to create a cover story. Was very aggressive about it (see my story would change) until I looked him in the eye and told him I'm leaving if he wasn't going to help.
Similar experience in the US. Victim of theft from my garage, cops show up and pretty much don't care but are more interested in poking around.
Latest experience in both countries is utter indifference unless it's a violent crime. Last time my car was broken into I don't even both making a report.
A couple of weeks later there was a report of a hit and run on an SFPD officer. Very similar circumstances - he was not in uniform, he just happened to be a police officer who was hit by an inattentive driver. Hard enough to knock him down but not break anything. They caught the guy within a couple of hours.
Cops care about cops. If they can protect the citizens that they're supposed to, that's a nice little bonus, but given the choice between protecting other cops vs. non-cops, they'll always choose other cops.
>"In the second case you mentioned it’s easy to imagine they got a full recording of the event and thus had more to work with than half a license plate number."
It seems like you're deliberately imagining circumstances favorable to the police.
Why would the officer have a body cam if not on duty? GP is correct, you're ignoring what was written and fabricating details.
No way in hell 2 patrol cops are gonna do all the paperwork or are encouraged to go track down the various video footage to find out who hit you. They might refer it to a detective. Who wont action something that will likely result in a misdemeanor offense or very light straight to probation felony at best. Especially when you consider detectives workloads. It makes a certain degree of sense when considering prioritization. The detectives supervisor would probably lambast them for deciding to spend the half day to track all that down when more serious crime could have been pursued instead.
Meanwhile the detective has way more incentives in his social group to prioritize finding the person who hit the SFPD detective. The detectives supervisor might even tell them to drop everything and prioritize to help internal office politics!
But the same crime shouldn't get vastly higher priority because the victim is a cop (situations in which a cop is targeted because they're a cop excluded, but that wasn't the case here).
Anyway, as I was getting hammered with questions and accusations, I noticed the young-ish driver getting into the back of the second police car. Then, they drove away. I thought they found drugs or something.
Turns out the young-ish driver was the daughter of the chief of police. I spent the next month or so getting harassed by a local prosecutor (the cops smelled marijuana! back in the early-90s, weed was a big crime.). He said the police were "investigating" and he was deciding whether or not to bring the case. Furthermore, my own insurance agent told me I should probably drop my claim because the young-ish driver's insurance company would fight it ("it's complicated because it was dark at the time."), and it would just take a long time so it probably wasn't worth it.
In the end, I submitted the insurance claim, received peanuts (not even enough to fix my car) and dropped State Farm. I didn't care too much because I knew I was leaving town (Modesto, CA). And I've never gone back.
I realize its an oversimplification on many levels but I find it useful sometimes in trying to think about cops as people, something which often gets lost.
Pay attention to the ACAB graffiti written everywhere next time. Imagine some of those people either had a similar experience as you, or don't need to personally have one to perceive reality more accurately.
It's not though.
I mean “All cops are made bad independent of their personal ethics by the structural defects of the system of policing” is both more precise and more accurate, but it really doesn’t work as a slogan.
Cops are held to a very low standard, especially for people who we place so much trust in. I would get fired for starting a gang at my job called 'The Executioners'.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/police-gan...
https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/morning-brief-sheriffs-d...
The good news, if there is any, is that institutions as corrupt and violent as American police, who operate freely and with complete impunity and social sanction, respond to the same things that other, similar institutions -- like the mafia, for instance -- do: sunlight.
I think that shining light on this stuff is extremely powerful, and the proof is right in this story: opposition to this POS didn't go unnoticed -- he sought to stamp it out and hide that he was doing it. These people are deeply afraid of a critical mass of the population becoming sick of their shit. So this means it's working. Let's keep it up!
[1] https://knock-la.com/lasd-gangs-little-devils-wayside-whitie...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dorner_shootings_a...
"Aldama described a tattoo on his calf as a skull with a rifle and a military-style helmet with flames surrounding it. On the helmet are the letters “C P T” for Compton."
So at some point "military-style" was switched to nazi. I don't know why, but since there's apparent conflict let's do our own research. Googling Nazi helmet gave me plenty of images, and they generally have a large flare on the back and the brim turns up. The helmets also seem to typically have badges on the side and I didn't see any that had a band on them like in the tattoo. I think these helmets look far more like the type worn by US troops in the Vietnam war.
[0](LA Times) https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-palmdale-sheriff-t...
[1](LA Times via Archive.is) https://archive.is/gNquP
That is obviously a much larger set of people than closet Nazi admirers, even in the U.S.
And the previous poster might be an European from a country once occupied by Nazis, or even Germany, where such knowledge is part of the historic memory.
Most Czechs with at least elementary history knowledge could distinguish Nazi helmets from other ones at first sight; the Stahlhelm is a very distinct design and it is part of a very dark memory for us. It had some innocent uses too (Austrian firefighters or Chilean cavalry, IIRC), but it is tainted here forever.
Mike Godwin, https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320
For more information see http://lasdgangs.com/
The only thing that does any good is independent civilian oversight, with teeth. Bodycams and dashcams required, with recordings held by the oversight board, and dismissal for turning them off.
Disarming them while on patrol would be a useful intermediate step toward defunding.
It's especially a problem in corrections which has laxer standards and background checks where gangs will send people to be the guards that are in charge of their people. "Gang infilitrator" has started becoming a serious concern and something they look out for at police and correctional academies.
1. Re-organizing police departments into a hierarchy. Currently we have a bunch of different districts with their own regulations and leadership. In some the police chief is appointed by the mayor, in others there's the sheriff system where the law enforcement leader is elected. But I don't think local elections are a sufficient check on power, same for appointments my mayors. Departments need to be re-organized under a hierarchy, with police departments of individual districts reporting to a regional police department (which can be on county lines or some other organizational system, though this level could be skipped for less populated states) which in turn reports to a state-wide police department. While there are state-wide police organizations now (AKA state troopers) with responsibilities broken up by jurisdiction (i.e. only state troopers enforcing traffic laws on state highways) there isn't an actual hierarchy of command. Setting this up will actually make things more efficient, because you can better pool resources, but the main benefit is that it makes it easier to regulate police conduct across the entire state. Currently each police department has their own regulations. It also opens the door to creating more centralized internal affairs divisions and prosecution, so that the local district attorney who works with the police department every day isn't the one deciding what police misconduct cases to prosecute.
2. We should establish an accrediting body for police departments, made up of legal experts, law enforcement professionals, and others. This body should determine and publish best practices (for use of force standards, training, organization, etc), and be able to review and certify departments. Then states and the federal government can require that police departments be certified by this agency in order to receive funding. Public outrage doesn't seem to be doing much to compel changes in behavior, lets see if the threat of denied funding and re-possessing military surplus hardware will do it (fun fact: the program by which most police departments get surplus military gear is structured so that the department doesn't actually own the equipment, and the federal government has the power to rep-possess it if they see fit).
3. Establishing federal and state resources to actively audit police conduct, investigate corruption, and prosecute cases. This should actually be expanded to all local governing bodies, because there is plenty of corruption in small local governments that goes unnoticed, but there should be a specific focus on police abuses.
>"The unit, named the Civil Rights and Public Integrity Detail, has pursued a long-running investigation into one of Villanueva’s most vocal critics"
>"The idea for the team was rooted in Villanueva’s upstart campaign for sheriff in 2018. While trying to persuade liberal voters he would be a progressive reformer, he also vowed to address what he said was widespread corruption among the department’s senior ranks that led to deputies being unfairly disciplined."
>"After taking office, Villanueva took steps to make good on his campaign promise, including hiring back deputies who he said had been wrongly fired."
Most importantly, is tying accreditation to funding. Officers will report corruption if that corruption could lead to de-crediting, which in turns means layoffs, pay cuts, and reduced equipment. It will even change the incentives for police unions. When police misconduct has the potential to cut into the bottom line of officers, it is in the best interests of unions to also help minimize misconduct. And collective bargaining agreements are with the police departments, not with the accrediting body, meaning unions would have limited influence over certification standards.
Absolutely these sorts of solutions are not a panacea, and there is still plenty of room for things to go wrong. Corruption at the higher echelons of state-wide authorities would have more impact due to this centralization of authority. The accrediting body has to walk a fine line: it needs to be seen as a body of peers by police officers (in the same way lawyers view the BAR association) while at the same time enforcing best practices and leading reforms. There's a balancing act there that has to be done right. And even with all of this corruption can still happen, but it might re-align incentives and work to reduce some of the serious issues we see with America's police forces.
Or we get that time that the Baltimore (I'm like 90% sure it was Baltimore) PD stopped enforcing everything that wasn't an obvious danger to the public. The only two groups who didn't like that were the government who was missing out on revenue and upper middle class types who were really pissed off that people were riding unregistered dirt bikes on the street. It was kind of a nice break for the common man.
Furthermore I'd say that more often than not, a parallel structure for the police is going to choose actions that are not in the public interest. Hence how you're remembering this singular example of some temporary mostly harmless anarchy.
The way to improve the police is to improve the set of laws they are called on to enforce, and to strengthen the limitations on their behavior (and to dress them like mailmen again rather than soldiers.) If the police aren't called on to act unethically/cruelly as a duty, better people will become police, and the ones who thrived on being bullies will quit.
The problem is that a police union can define policy that is extralegal, but carries more weight than what is legal, since they're the ones tasked with actually enforcing the laws. You haven't really addressed that.
I know unions are in a sad state in this country and I agree that isn't a good thing. But police having a monopoly on violence makes their union into a completely different beast.
But yes, I didn't flesh out some of the details on how to add civilian oversight. I think you could model it roughly around the federal Justice Department. You would have a head law enforcement official, appointed by the governor and approved by the state legislature, perhaps serving a longer term than the governor so that the position isn't nearly as tied to the administration. And then a head of a state "Justice department" of sorts (a broader agency covering the state law enforcement agency, the department of corrections, and some additional sub-organizations like state capitol security, a state-wide internal affairs office, etc.) which is also appointed by the governor and approved by the state legislature. This justice department head would then act as a buffer between the governor and day-to-day law enforcement activities. The idea would be to limit state-level control of law enforcement to regulatory changes (either advanced by the governor in a limited capacity, and the state legislature more broadly) and not individual investigations. But, as we saw in the Trump administration, this separation isn't exactly ironclad, and depends a lot on politicians and officials obeying certain cultural norms and standards. When you're creating a brand new organization and system from scratch at the state level, you won't have those ingrained cultural norms. Another options would be making law enforcement an independent agency headed up by a council. This would work in a similar way to the FEC, the FTC, the FCC, or the Federal Reserve. Leadership is made up by a group of board members who serve either for life or some long time period. Vacancies are filled by governor appointment, but subject to state legislature approval. Because the governor can't fire council members (excluding perhaps special circumstances, but that's beyond the scope of this post), and can only appoint new ones with the cooperation of the state legislature, this provides a significant degree of insulation from governor and legislative control.
The accrediting body also provides a significant degree of oversight in a different manner. This body would function like the state bar associations, meaning they would be completely independent from the government. This means the people have essentially no democratic control over them, except for the extreme step of repealing the law requiring state funds go only to departments accredited by that association. So you would have to be very careful going about setting up such an organization, and make sure it is organized internally to continue to function well. And of course, by definition this wouldn't really count as "civilian oversight", since the association would be completely independent and made up at least partially of law enforcement professionals, but would very much protect against the "governor using the police as a personal army" scenario.
Edit: I have directly violated the guidelines. Apologies, HN.
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Such clear proof that the article of this debacle... is nothing more than a cynically crafted advertisement for Mickey D's.
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ETA (with, mind you, appropriate alarm & dismay at the downvote):
> “That’s what I’m telling you, dumb f—, is that clear?” Lillienfeld said. “I can’t make it any clearer than that.”
> Lillienfeld did not respond to a request for comment.
The guy is so clear(ly) nothing but a shill for McDonald's.
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