Tesla Model S locks up in the middle of a highway
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1) In an emergency situation, Tesla didn’t send an emergency tow truck, but instead directed him to call 911.
Well, yeah! It’s an emergency, call 911! That’s what it’s there for. They would have dispatched his call to the appropriate highway service and gotten his car out of the road. Why the fuck didn’t he call 911 immediately, as soon as he was safe, instead of hoofing it down the road to a random work crew?
(The cherry on the top: he expresses surprise that said random work crew doesn’t have number of CHP. You know who does? The 911 dispatcher!)
2) His car died in the middle of the road for unknown reasons.
And… that’s it. Unknown car failure. Sure, it’s bad, but also not particularly unusual. Car failures happen. They’re often dangerous. Repair work is in progress and nothing else is known.
And that’s it. Most of the thread is complaining about self-inflicted inability to get emergency service in emergency situation.
So about 3 years ago, there was a car which got a wheel stuck in the caltrain crossing near 4th st in SF (they turned right into the tracks without completely crossing over).
We were appalled to find out that the guy in the car was on hold with the rental company & we immediately called 911.
The cops responded within 2 minutes (they were probably parked in UCSF) and stopped the trains on 22nd.
People do panic and don't always think straight on what should be done in an emergency.
Of course you call 911. You also call the number on the blue and white "REPORT EMERGENCY OR PROBLEM" sign that's at every US crossing and read them the crossing number on that sign. Usually it connects to the train dispatcher who controls that track, has the controls to turn signals red, and has a radio link to the locomotives. Call that number, tell them there's a car stuck on the tracks at crossing 123 456, and trains will be stopped.
DOT actually says to call that number before calling 911. The 911 dispatcher will eventually call the railroad, but there may be confusion and delay as to where the problem is. (Cops use street names and addresses, railroads use routes and milepost numbers.)
Those blue and white signs are kind of low key. Maybe too low key. It's not obvious that the blue and white sign gets you to the person who actually controls the trains.
If stuck on a crossing, get out of the vehicle, get well clear of the crossing, like 50-100 feet, and call. Then, once the train dispatcher tells you they have rail traffic stopped, efforts to extract the vehicle can begin.
Every car, no matter of it's running state, unless it is damaged at the mechanical components, should be able to place in neutral and pushed in situations like this.
This is my beef with these electric cars and non electric cars (but with electric parking system/shift)
You can always secure a manual car or a car with a parking pawl by shifting into gear or P, so I assume it's more okay to leave them in the free-rolling state if they die completely.
But you can't do the same in a Tesla which doesn't have a parking pawl, so I assume someone made the decision that a forever-locked-up Tesla is safer than a forever-free-rolling Tesla.
I also agree that should be an even-more-emergency mechanism (like a valve on the brake circuit) you could operate manually to disable the emergency lock-up, but in the case of a Tesla fiddling with that hypothetical valve would also disable your brakes completely sooo. Dunno. The car just doesn't have enough hardware.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall
On my 2019 Tesla Model 3 it's a button near the rear mirror.
I've heard that in some cases (crash) the cars makes the call automatically (happened to a friend, after a crash he heard someone talk to him through the system to check if he was ok).
I'm curious about how you got out of that one :) Handbrake?
>Use 2 (Second) to start-up on slippery roads or to provide additional engine braking on downgrades.
>Use 1 (First) to provide maximum engine braking on steep downgrades.
The weak point is the engine, not the transmission. If you're at 7,000 in fourth gear, and you command a shift to 1st gear, it will grenade your crankshaft. Some transmission control modules are smart enough to refuse to do this.
Live and learn!
The most severe emergencies are the ones people most readily associate with calling 911, and it takes education and outreach to reassure people that it's okay to call 911 for less severe situations—before things go from bad to worse.
What? The regular brakes are still hydraulic, the pedal will always work. Or did you mean that there's no way to KEEP the car stopped without someone standing on the pedal all the time? That's true, but you can always gently rest the car against the curb or road barriers or something.
Additionally, as long as you're in gear and your transmission still, well, transmits, even in fourth, you can get your car going forward by playing with the clutch. Yes, you'll destroy your clutch, but then again your transmission is already broken anyways.
The most amazing thing is how VW didn’t send me a rescue crew and a free show bag. And even more puzzling, I’m still unsure why it didn’t get front page HN and a million anti-VW hits. Puzzling.
I haven't used a automatic car, do they start easily by pushing like a manual can? Guess the problem is really technology (and maturity of it.)
That's one way to brick an automatic car.
Although, it’s worth noting that part of Elon/Tesla’s approach to marketing is to not pay for advertising, and rely quite significantly on social media - with Elon’s sometimes controversial Twitter central to that. One might posit that they have made themselves into the click-worthy meme company that the media now exploit?
yawn
“Someone did a bad thing on Facebook!”
Call the Washington Post!
I'm sure when petrol cars started breaking down and horse and carts didn't it was news too. That's why they call it news.
If the car detects a problem in power supply circuit, it's perfectly rationale action to engage the electric parking brake as "last wish" when the car has stopped, because there are no other mechanism to prevent the car from rolling. In most cases that's the safest option, because freely rolling car is very dangerous.
A side note: Tesla has a sort-of reduntant 12V power supply, because it has a traditional 12V battery and also a 12V DC-DC converter from the high-voltage battery pack. So in theory you can lose either of those and still safely drive the car to a stop. But there can also be a problem with the 12V circuitry itself, e.g. in chassis grounding, which can cause all kind of weird problems and even total failure. This is not an unheard problem especially among older Model S cars such the one in the picture.
Practically every single car has a freely rolling mode the operator can easily select, despite being, according to you, "very dangerous".
For an EV like a Tesla neutral would be just not energizing the motor and letting it turn freely. There are hydraulic brakes on the car, are there not? These should always be available, even when non-boosted it's just a matter of standing on the pedal. Most vehicles in addition to this have a mechanical "emergency" or "parking" brake for actuating the rear calipers mechanically. There's nothing about a Tesla precluding the same manual brake methods practically every car has had since before I was born, which are the primary ways you stop the car from rolling when in neutral. At least this way you're always able to roll a vehicle when needed, even if it's inoperable for whatever reason.
Teslas are just annoying.
> Teslas are just annoying.
Well, not any more, electric parking brakes have been a thing for some time and nowadays you can find them in very mainstream cars (like the latest Škoda Octavia). So it's not just Teslas that are annoying.
Yes, because traditional cars are not free rolling by default due to their mechanics, unlike electric cars.
Tesla does the only sensible thing in the scenario of possible power failure, it applies the electronic parking brakes when the car has stopped. Yes, you may not be able to push the car, but that's less dangerous than freely rolling car. The thing with power failure is that the car must prepare for a total lost of power in any moment.
And yes, Tesla has hydraulic brakes which works without power just like in any car, but that does not help in the emergency situation when the car has parked been without power. No one wants to sit in the car keeping the brakes pressed while waiting for the towing.
What are you talking about?
Traditional cars have a neutral and yes it is free rolling by default.
If I don't personally set the hand brake in my mx-5 it will happily roll away, factory stock.
Edit:
And it gets even worse for an automatic transmission left in drive with the engine off. The torque converter hydraulics won't have pressure; it effectively becomes neutral. At least my manual mx-5 I can leave in 1st when off and it'll resist rolling a bit, not enough to park on an SF hill, but on level ground it'll generally hold still. But neutral in all cars is potential runaway car territory, completely unimpeded without manually setting the parking brake or for an auto explicitly putting the trans in park.
Electric cars have none of that. The wheels are connected to the motor with a fixed gear, and the electric motor without power can't prevent the car from rolling. Thus you can say the system is "free rolling" by default. There are no mechanical configurations, just a fixed single one.
But should we really expect anything else from a company so desperate to eliminate steering wheels from its cars?
But the case in the original post was a power failure condition, i.e. highly critical error mode.
Perfectly rational as the default action perhaps, but Tesla should still provide a way to manually override that behavior. We have the technology.
You still have the cars forward momentum, which should be fine to get you to the shoulder.
Then when the car stops, it puts the break on. I'd much prefer that than not put the break on and have it roll down a hill unoccupied later and kill someone.
It's the same thing I would do if I had an underpowered and heavily laden car or truck and came to a big hill that the car could only get up at 40 mph - change lanes towards the shoulder so that people with more powerful cars can overtake.
It has a bunch of safety benefits too, like knowing people always will be passing you on only one side, making driving more predictable, and hence safer.
Turns out this is a common thing with his generation of Prius, something about the motor controller inverter thingy overheating.
It's not a multimedia issue (infotainment). There's a separate driving computer with sufficient redundancy functionality. It's likely a problem with 12V power if the critical functionality freezes.
You can even reboot the infotainment system (the main screen) when driving and the car drivers perfectly fine.
Anyway, in an unlikely situation that the driver fails to pull off safely in case of critical system failure (remember, steering and brakes always work), and the car stops on lane, you probably don't want to risk your life by pushing the car. For a towing truck the parking brake is not much a problem.
Does the car come with emergency sings to place on the road so you don't kill others with an abandoned car in middle of the street? (I am not sure if in US first aid kit and emergency stuff(signs,fire extinguisher) are mandatory)
But to be fair we would need to know why this was the safest thing that a Tesla could do, hopefully we will get more info that is not quickly DMCA.
And before someone would label me some anti-Tesla something, I was also critique of Uber self driving and I am a big critique of other big tech giants so if you label me you need a more generic term.
Does Luddite work for you?
Oky, what the heck! This is one of my biggest nightmares as a driver, those at Tesla should be made responsible for this type of behaviour from their product.
I know any car may die in the middle of the highway but from what the guy writes he couldn't put it in neutral so that he couldn't push it over to the side of the highway. That's a big no-no. Again, Tesla must be held accountable.