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Yeah except he's right, the vast majority of cheaters can be detected server side.

Literally no game does this, because ?????

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Battlefield has been doing this, with FairFight, and it's worked okay-ish, but insanely slow

Sounds like a startup opportunity. Lookin' forward to the pitch deck!

What kind of massive startup ROI are you expecting to make from a highly niche bit of middleware?

Just because something is possible doesn't make it profitable.

Worse the game publishers make more money from cheaters than from legit players.

Cheaters have to keep re-buying the game when they get banned.

The incentives are for publishers to ban cheaters... but not too fast... and that's exactly what we see happening in practice.

Kinda interesting huh

I doubt it. Especially since the games where cheaters are most rampant are f2p.

Video game industry is massive, and cheating is rampant and ruining peoples experience in game. I don't think it's the craziest idea

Valve have been doing it with Counter Strike for at least 3 years. And the "VACnet" they have is still far from perfect. Especially with the less obvious cheats. They used to be a talk on youtube, but it seems to have been taken down.

`\dkliksphilip` reuploaded the talk it seems: https://youtu.be/SnRgW54EWwA

I did a few hundred cs overwatch (it's a system where people with 150+ won matches can review suspicious behaviours reported by system/other users - https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/overwatch/) cases and 95% of them were people using Spinbots. You can write a program/script that parses demos and detects those in few hours (assuming you don't know how to parse a demo file). Why is this even a thing? I want to help them with fighting less than obvious cheaters but if almost everything I get can be automated by any 1st-year cs college student then what is the point?

I am guessing extra computation? Maybe this sort of technology is in infancy?

The real interesting take away is it is always a mouse and cat game. The hackers will adapt, instead of reading memory they might just read packets, or use a m.2 memory reader card, because they have to -- and so will the anti-hackers. I am interesting in machine learning to simulate COD -- I saw a video of it and it's like a young child was playing the game -- not good but obviously on the path to competence.

They do. And after a few weeks/months there will be a ban wave. But there really isnt incentive to fix these problems because if you ban cheaters they have to buy new copies of games.

Because they can get people to install rootkits on their PCs and offload the computational burden on to them instead of paying $$$ to detect these themselves?

CS:GO does do this.

In one part because the false positives of picking up top players as bots becomes an issue.

"vast majority" means? 60% or 99%?

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