Twitter enables tipping with Bitcoin, plans to let users authenticate NFTs
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Micropayments are one of the paths out of advertiser hell and were one of the original dreams of many crypto nerds and advocates.
I still think that twitter is pure mind cancer, but I have to give it to Jack on this. Great move, and something I hope gets repeated to the rest of the web.
For those who aren’t very familiar with the crypto space: this uses a bitcoin side chain called lightning; transactions are effectively free and instant, but still denominated in BTC.
Because they don’t need to. My guess is that you just associate a lightning address with your username, and all Twitter does is present that to a wallet. This way twitter doesn’t need to do KYC, or ever hold any funds. They’re just the phone book.
LN is an unnecessary solution to a made up problem. Other cryptos have proved that much much more transactions can be easily processed by merely increasing the blocksize.
12tb harddrive: $199.
Bitcoin blockchain is increasing at less than 100gb per year. The storage cost of 100gb is about $1.6
I'm sure people running nodes can spend more than 1.6 a year to store a bigger chain.
(I used it back when it was in beta to buy something from blockstream, but that was it. Back then it was an extremely complex process.)
Many others have done patreon. Many, many youtube creators and podcasters have strong incomes due to that.
Really micro payments add-value is that most things on the internet are just not worth a visa charge or the slow fraud detection calcs on the back end. Like access to someones tweets. Its basically opening up a new economy and suitable for the metaverse in general.
Like imagine you have augmented reality glasses and are walking through a city outside a restaurant, and a digital food menu third party gives you access for 5 cents btc or eth.
Bit of a tangent here but the use case is fascinating.
Doesn't seem like micropayments fit the current consumer mindset the way periodic subscriptions do.
Nick Szabo has a great write up that outlines my thoughts exactly [1]
[1] https://nakamotoinstitute.org/static/docs/micropayments-and-...
Stripe charges 2.9% plus 30 cents per successful transaction.
So your fee on a fifty cent micropayment would be 63%.
The lightning network would be free or perhaps one sat, which would be 0.08% of a fifty cent transaction.
Spinx[0] and Zion[1] are chat apps that offer room hosts the option to set a fee for joining and/or sending messages to a channel, for the purpose of spam reduction. Another cool feature already live in the app is pay-per-minute streaming of podcasts and videos.
[0]: https://sphinx.chat/ [1]: https://www.getzion.com/
Technically you don't need to be online 24/7, just often enough to detect the fraud before the timeout, default is two weeks I think. Or you can pay someone a tiny fee to monitor the blockchain for someone publishing an old state for you.
In practice, nobody is trying to commit fraud, because : a) if you get caught you get punished severely b) most channels do not have enough BTC in them
Lightning is for small, instant, fast payments, average channel size is about 0.02 BTC.
The bigger problem is how to maintain up to date backups, and not accidentally publish an old state when recovering from a crash. We're working on it. Taproot bitcoin upgrade brings some interesting improvements we can build upon to improve things further.
EDIT: forgot to mention this is only really a problem if you want to run your own non custodial solution ( which I do). For most people, using a 3rd party custodial solution for their low balance hot wallet seems to be the norm.
A.k.a trust a third party.
> For most people, using a 3rd party custodial solution for their low balance hot wallet seems to be the norm.
Just like Venmo or PayPal?
*Bitcoin Cash enters the chat*
True, but in a very limited sense. You're trusting a third party to protect you from your counterparty posting an out of date state. And adding further complexity, your counterparty gets punished if they get caught publishing this state, and they have no way of knowing if you are watching or not.
So, from a game theory perspective, it is unlikely for this to even come into play.
Oh, and you can technically have multiple third parties doing this.
I understand why I might want to pay someone for, say, a Youtube video, or a substack article. But is there really enough value packed into a tweet that I'd want to send someone money for it?
Maybe I'm just not imaginative enough. Or maybe the answer is porn.
Journalist spends a year on a story. Puts it on her blog. Shares the post via a tweet. You love the story, appreciate the hard work and give a tip.
Taking on GoFundMe's market rather than Patreon
Couldn't the users just pin a tweet to the top of their profile "Hey, if you want to tip us, here is our Bitcoin address: ..."?
And for receiving Bitcoin via the Lighnight Network, I would expect it is similar?
Try harder.
Dropbox is also silly. It's just rsync with a UI, just spin up a command-line and transfer all your fi-... Wait a minute. This is what you meant! ;-)
I'd love to hear a version where a chef would talk about food this way or some other field that I know next to nothing about.
Edit: I didn't realize it was using the lightning network.
Or you could just click the button on the tweet and not do all that?
In order to receive a lightning payment, the receiver has to generate an invoice that anyone with a lightning wallet can pay (usually by scanning a QR code or copy/pasting the invoice). These invoices are meant to be single use.
There is a draft spec (BOLT12) that would make it easier to be able to just pin a link or QR code on a webpage or profile and receive bitcoin via the lightning network.
[1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/strike-send-and-spend-bitcoin/...
If I were to restate what I think you're saying: Twitter is implementing a tipping system that allows you pay using Strike _as_well_as additional non-custodial [and potentially non-kyc] lightning payment apps once a lightning channel is open.
I think that you're either dead wrong, or the non-Strike lightning payment option will be so convoluted that almost no one actually will actually use it. I will be happy to be proven wrong though.
This podcast, after the first half, really goes into depth why all contemporary crypto“currencies” are inherently flawed: https://anchor.fm/when-the-music-stops/episodes/Nano--Digita....
Another good article: https://defector.com/cryptocurrency-bad-and-weird/.
By your definition real estate, stocks and precious metals are also multi-level marketing since early insiders profit at the expense of late-comers.
Also Bitcoin has something like 70 million users so less than 1% adoption. In other words everyone is still early.
I’ll read those links but please note when I refer to Bitcoin, I am excluding all other crypto.
Bitcoin truly is a special snowflake and if you don’t understand the difference between Bitcoin and Altcoins I would suggest doing some more research to understand what you may have missed.
Based on its historical investment returns as well as its inherent properties, I would argue that at this point a zero percent allocation into Bitcoin is objectively the wrong value.
Imagine if you could buy access to a paywalled news article for $0.02 (on an article-by-article basis) instead of having to purchase a monthly subscription. Or imagine being able to pay $0.10 to watch a particular episode of a show without needing to subscribe to the streaming service. How many people would prefer doing that instead of using current SaaS subscription models (which exist largely because it's a huge hassle to implement credit card-based micropayments)?
Subscription businesses should be on guard: micropayments open up advertising-independent ways for creators to monetize content. With all the well-deserved criticism of ad-based businesses in recent years (particularly social media), it's possible that micropayments enable business models that don't rely on ads the way many online businesses have up to this point. That's huge, and kudos to Twitter for taking the leap.
I wonder whether they'll be able to keep this fee-less over the longer term. If/when they start facilitating billions of dollars moving per year, I'd imagine intense pressure from shareholders to take a cut.
Bitcoin has always been the kind of thing that rewards insiders.
Companies and government officials can profit just by holding bitcoin and then incentivizing its wider use. It makes more sense to become an insider than to fight bitcoin. Arguably, that's even true for major financial institutions.
No talk about the NFTs yet. My gut tells me that ultimately, personally speaking, NFTs are going to be about telling me what I can't do. "You can't post that meme, you can't quote that person, etc." Maybe I just don't get it?
Change my mind?
The old financial system is not very efficient. In the USA alone, millions of people work in the finance sector. Automating those tasks via crypto systems might save a lot of energy.
There is a good chance that Bitcoin's energy usage will be completely solar based in the long run.
I see no reason all the other stuff wouldn't still be around in a world where bitcoin replaced the dollar.
Also, there is no way bitcoin can come close to scaling to even a tiny fraction of the transactions which happen every day.
The old system is not at all efficient for transactions. Vendors hate credit cards for a reason. Visa alone made 20 Billion Dollars in revenue last year for a reason.
Bitcoin can scale infinitely via the Lightning Network.
This "service" has pros and cons. It is one reason why vendors hate credit cards. You never know when you can be sure that the payment really was done. Or if it will suddenly disappear again.
Fraud detection:
One reason why fraud detection is needed is that the whole system of "whoever has the number can pull money" is insane.
Customer service:
What do you mean?
Card issuing:
Who wants cards? Those will go away anyhow.
No it can't . It barely scales to the orbit of Pluto (~5.7 light hours from the sun). You can not use it to send Bitcoin from one random point in the Oort cloud to another.
Its all very efficient until Mastercard and Visa decide that your line of business should not be allowed to receive money and they blacklist you and your descendants from the financial system forever.
I don't really follow Bitcoin and friends, all I know is it uses more electric than some countries
The current plan is to halve the block reward every 4 years and completely stop paying a block reward in 2140.
In contrast, writing specific policies to target (specific uses of) specific cryptocurrencies, without exempting the renewable energy used in their production, and without targeting other "frivolous" uses of energy, would be an inelegant approach.
This kind of usage actually demonstrates bitcoin's valuable use case (a base layer for final settlement) whereas in recent years a lot of energy was being burned effectively just for speculation.
If only a massive corporation could think beyond their wallet which may people put next to their second favourite organs!
That's odd, because Strike is the company on which El Salvador's Bitcoin experiment is based.
https://www.businessofbusiness.com/articles/what-is-strike-E...
Also, this article has a completely different take:
> A video was released on Thursday of Jack Mallers demonstrating the service with the firm’s integration of the Strike API. In the video Mallers sent Bitcoin from Chicago to El Salvador via Twitter.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/jack-dorsey-twitter-roll...
What am I missing?
"Strike works in El Salvador and all US states except New York and Hawaii"