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Keep watching the HUD pane - before the driver takes over, it corrects and decides to go straight. In fact, it's turning the wheel to the left before the driver stops the correction.

I think this is a navigation issue. This is exactly what I would have done if I had a passenger yell "WAIT TURN RIGHT TURN RIGHT oh nevermind GO STRAIGHT"

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What do you mean by "nagivation issue"? I don't see the navigation system changing momentarily and then back (that would be analogous to your example). If in your phrasing the navigation system includes object recognition then if it istructs the car to suddenly steer right without any real reason, how could we trust that it stops before hitting pedestrians? Even if in this situation it would've corrected itself, I wouldn't say that this is a minor issue.

So you're saying the tesla self driving capability is on par with humans driving at near their worst in a panic'd sort of circumstance. Great!

Right, nothing should ever be built unless it can be 100% correct immediately.

I’m stunned that it hasn’t, so far as we know, actually hit anything yet. I’m not sure how, but clearly they’re doing something right between choosing drivers and writing software.

There were several high publicity collisions with a Tesla colliding into stationary objects -- a highway barricade [1], a blue truck [2], a parked police car[3], two instances of a parked ambulance[4]...

Teslas driving themselves hit objects all the time.

1. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/tes... 2. Ibid 3. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mercurynews.com/2020/07/14/... 4. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/30/busi...

This was all not FSD beta; those were all on the completely separate public stack.

This is kinda fascinating - factually true statements about FSD are blanket downvoted. Why is that?

"autopilot" versus "full self driving* capable" versus "full self driving" versus "autonomous mode" seems like marketing hype instead of actual improvements. After all, "autopilot" was supposed to drive itself, so what's the new one do differently?

So, devil's advocate. We know the Autopilot ignores stationary objects, so a lane with a parked vehicle (emergency or otherwise) is therefore a reasonable place to travel at the set speed on the cruise control, etc.

But, I believe this discussion is about the new FSD software which is supposed to be more capable. Have we had reports about the new one doing the old tricks?

> Right, nothing should ever be built unless it can be 100% correct immediately.

Right, a strawman.

How about this compromise: Let's call it "Poorly Implemented Self Driving" until it improves, and we won't try to sell it years early too.

What hasn’t hit anything yet? A Tesla on autopilot?

Surely.

So blindly follow random instructions without making sure it's the safe thing to do?

The car was driving 11 mph. The obvious thing to do is very simple: hit the brakes! Stop, re-evaluate, and then continue.

Hitting the brakes in the middle of an intersection is very safe.

What exactly would the machine evaluate in a couple seconds that it can’t do instantly?

I dare say its safer than turning into a crosswalk of pedestrians.

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